lilranch2001
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Ooooo if we just lived in a perfect world….
That’s easy to say when it’s not your relative that gets killed from a chase that they quit chasing.Q1: Then it is their fault. And they will be tried and convicted and punished appropriately.
Q2: I expect them not to destroy equipment and damage other people's property and put everyone around them at risk if there is no impending major risk. If the guy in the tractor (or if it were a vehicle) isn't running into people or running things over then follow until they crash or run out of fuel. Or set up a roadblock (can't be too hard since a tractor doesn't go that fast). But taking the exceptional action of causing a crash and damaging personal and public property and risking harm to the office and the suspect is NOT the right approach. No matter how much you 'care' about the possibilities if you don't. Absent actual demonstrated harm you don't introduce certain harm.
If it becomes easy for you to throw rational thought out the window and disregard personal and public property/expenses and potential direct risk of action just to justify some actions because "something awful might happen" then your emotions have overtaken you. Basing our actions and decisions on preventing worst-case scenarios is just not realistic. The costs - to property and liberties - become far too great.That’s easy to say when it’s not your relative that gets killed from a chase that they quit chasing.
You must know my wife’s brothers. They also have an answer for everything and are never wrong.
easy to say when it’s not your relative that gets killed from a chase that they quit chasing
If they were crossways, they could only be 8 feet, so they were probably going to a stud mill. Back in the early 70's, Georgia Pacific bought the Moyie River Lumber Co. and put in a stud mill. I got a 1 ton Chevy flatbed and cut stud logs for a few summers. The reason for loading them that way is it was easier, they secured better with just one chain/cable, and they could be unloaded without equipment as well. Plus, the truck could be used for other flatbed purposes as well since it didn't have dedicated bunks.A couple years ago we took a road trip to the upper midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin) and noticed that log trucks had their loads in cross-wise instead of length-wise. Never seen that before, any particular reason they'd do it that way?
I’m not arguing against myself. I’ve got friends and family in law enforcement, they have had to deal with calling off a chase and having a innocent bystander get killed 5 to 10 minutes later because the bad guy is still driving like a mad manIf it becomes easy for you to throw rational thought out the window and disregard personal and public property/expenses and potential direct risk of action just to justify some actions because "something awful might happen" then your emotions have overtaken you. Basing our actions and decisions on preventing worst-case scenarios is just not realistic. The costs - to property and liberties - become far too great.
I'm not "never wrong" and I don't have an answer for everything. But I do have strong feelings on government and authorities' methods. And I'll make decisions without emotions being the main driver and expect those we elect and employ to do the same.
Also:
Many police departments have explicit policies that force them to STOP CHASING when the potential actions may lead to public endangerment. Think about that... They don't have 'STOP OFFENDER AT ALL COSTS' policies. You're kinda arguing against yourself here.
Like another poster said, and they're allowed to vote.
Same right as you and me! The only hope is more education.Like another poster said, and they're allowed to vote.
Or a peaceful deathSame right as you and me! The only hope is more education.