Will UAW Strike?

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And again, THIS is the article you didn't bother to read:

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

EDITED TO ADD: I copied and pasted the body of this article to this post, since the original article is behind a "paywall" that some may not want to turn off their ad blocking for--




With signs of growing inventory and slowing sales, auto industry executives admitted this week that their ambitious electric vehicle plans are in jeopardy, at least in the near term.

Several C-Suite leaders at some of the biggest carmakers voiced fresh unease about the electric car market's growth as concerns over the viability of these vehicles put their multi-billion-dollar electrification strategies at risk.

Among those hand-wringing is GM's Mary Barra, historically one of the automotive industry's most bullish CEOs on the future of electric vehicles. GM has been an early-mover in the electric car market, selling the Chevrolet Bolt for seven years and making bold claims about a fully electric future for the company long before its competitors got on board.

But this week on GM's third-quarter earnings call, Barra and GM struck a more sober tone. The company announced with its quarterly results that it's abandoning its targets to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of this year and another 400,000 by the first six months of 2024. GM doesn't know when it will hit those targets.

"As we get further into the transformation to EV, it's a bit bumpy," she said.

While GM's about-face was somewhat of a surprise to investors, the Detroit car company is not alone in this new view of the EV future. Even Tesla's Elon Musk warned on a recent earnings call that economic concerns would lead to waning vehicle demand, even for the long-time EV market leader.

Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz — which is having to discount its EVs by several thousand dollars just to get them in customers' hands — isn't mincing words about the state of the EV market.

"This is a pretty brutal space," CFO Harald Wilhelm said on an analyst call. "I can hardly imagine the current status quo is fully sustainable for everybody."

EVs are getting harder to sell​

But Mercedes isn't the only one; almost all current EV product is going for under sticker price these days, and on top of that, some EVs are seeing manufacturer's incentives of nearly 10%.

That's as inventory builds up at dealerships, much to the chagrin of dealers. While car buyers are in luck if they're looking for a deal on a plug-in vehicle, executives are finding even significant markdowns and discounts aren't enough. These cars are taking dealers longer to sell compared with their gas counterparts as the next wave of buyers focus on cost, infrastructure challenges, and lifestyle barriers to adopting.

Just a few months after dealers started coming forward to warn of slowing EV demand, manufacturers appear to be catching up to that reality. Ford was the first to fold, after dealers started turning away Mach-E allocations. In July, the company extended its self-imposed deadline to hit annual electric vehicle production of 600,000 by a year, and abandoned a 2026 target to build 2 million EVs.

In scrapping plans with GM to co-develop sub-$30,000 EVs, Honda CEO Toshihiro Mibe said the shifting EV environment was difficult to gauge.

"After studying this for a year, we decided that this would be difficult as a business, so at the moment we are ending development of an affordable EV," Mibe said in an interview with Bloomberg this week.

For some, this pullback is no surprise.

"People are finally seeing reality," Toyota Motor Chairman Akio Toyoda said at the Japan Mobility Show, the Wall Street Journal reported. Toyoda has long been skeptical of his peers' pure-electric blueprints.
 
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What fried my bacon about the YT video and Fain's obvious illegal and not conducive salary from Stellantis as Treasurer of their 'learning center' really hit home with me about graft and corruption in the UAW. Still the same crap, just a different face. I have a very low opinion of Fain now, not that I ever had a high opinion of him anyway.

I know nothing about him but I wonder how he's educated. he don't speak well from what I can ascertain.
 
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And again, THIS is the article you didn't bother to read:

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
Just another pay-wall site and no, I'm not turning off my ad blocker either so I'll take your word on it. I was just up at Ford's Rouge assembly (Miller Road) yesterday and while the holding lot full of Lightning pickup trucks and e-Stangs has dopped a bit, there is still a huge glut of them sitting there.

People don't want them and really cannot afford them. Gonna be hard to wean the public in general off ICE engine vehicles, if not impossible. Personally speaking, I feel the millions in investment in EV's is a bad deal all around. One, the grid cannot support them, charging on the road is still a PITA and takes too long and 3, too expensive for a niche, toy vehicle.

Heck, I average 40 mpg and I'm good with that. Besides, being retired, I don't drive all that much anyway and I much prefer being hauled around in my wife's Suburban LTZ. Sure, it gets pretty poor fuel mileage but I don't gas it, she does.
 
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Has the UAW ratified the proposal Ford submitted?
 
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In times of rising costs and much higher interest rates the tendency is to cutback... then add all that is going on in the world and some really hunker down and a new vehicle is no longer on the list.

What I'm still seeing is folks spending money on home repairs and improvements...

The threat of strikes just ups the ante when times are uncertain.

Betting the company is always a risky move and consequences can be dire if wrong... I would say similar to calling a strike.
 
   / Will UAW Strike? #1,177  
And again, THIS is the article you didn't bother to read:

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

EDITED TO ADD: I copied and pasted the body of this article to this post, since the original article is behind a "paywall" that some may not want to turn off their ad blocking for--




With signs of growing inventory and slowing sales, auto industry executives admitted this week that their ambitious electric vehicle plans are in jeopardy, at least in the near term.

Several C-Suite leaders at some of the biggest carmakers voiced fresh unease about the electric car market's growth as concerns over the viability of these vehicles put their multi-billion-dollar electrification strategies at risk.

Among those hand-wringing is GM's Mary Barra, historically one of the automotive industry's most bullish CEOs on the future of electric vehicles. GM has been an early-mover in the electric car market, selling the Chevrolet Bolt for seven years and making bold claims about a fully electric future for the company long before its competitors got on board.

But this week on GM's third-quarter earnings call, Barra and GM struck a more sober tone. The company announced with its quarterly results that it's abandoning its targets to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of this year and another 400,000 by the first six months of 2024. GM doesn't know when it will hit those targets.

"As we get further into the transformation to EV, it's a bit bumpy," she said.

While GM's about-face was somewhat of a surprise to investors, the Detroit car company is not alone in this new view of the EV future. Even Tesla's Elon Musk warned on a recent earnings call that economic concerns would lead to waning vehicle demand, even for the long-time EV market leader.

Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz — which is having to discount its EVs by several thousand dollars just to get them in customers' hands — isn't mincing words about the state of the EV market.

"This is a pretty brutal space," CFO Harald Wilhelm said on an analyst call. "I can hardly imagine the current status quo is fully sustainable for everybody."

EVs are getting harder to sell​

But Mercedes isn't the only one; almost all current EV product is going for under sticker price these days, and on top of that, some EVs are seeing manufacturer's incentives of nearly 10%.

That's as inventory builds up at dealerships, much to the chagrin of dealers. While car buyers are in luck if they're looking for a deal on a plug-in vehicle, executives are finding even significant markdowns and discounts aren't enough. These cars are taking dealers longer to sell compared with their gas counterparts as the next wave of buyers focus on cost, infrastructure challenges, and lifestyle barriers to adopting.

Just a few months after dealers started coming forward to warn of slowing EV demand, manufacturers appear to be catching up to that reality. Ford was the first to fold, after dealers started turning away Mach-E allocations. In July, the company extended its self-imposed deadline to hit annual electric vehicle production of 600,000 by a year, and abandoned a 2026 target to build 2 million EVs.

In scrapping plans with GM to co-develop sub-$30,000 EVs, Honda CEO Toshihiro Mibe said the shifting EV environment was difficult to gauge.

"After studying this for a year, we decided that this would be difficult as a business, so at the moment we are ending development of an affordable EV," Mibe said in an interview with Bloomberg this week.

For some, this pullback is no surprise.

"People are finally seeing reality," Toyota Motor Chairman Akio Toyoda said at the Japan Mobility Show, the Wall Street Journal reported. Toyoda has long been skeptical of his peers' pure-electric blueprints.
EV sales are on the rise as in the numbers of EVs tagged year each is climbing. So the transition from ICE to EVs continues as it will for decades to come. The rate of EV adoption like many large ticket items have have slowed. This is true for Tesla the most profitable EV source in the world but their sales will be up about 500,000 cars over 2022 and the ICE slow death spiral will speed up post strike. Unless you or I die in the next 25 we will be able to buy all of the ICE cars that we want. Unfortunately they will be $5,000 or more expensive than a comparable EV.
 
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Why would gear shifting a manual transmission truck make a driver any worse than one driving an automatic?

9 out of 10 truck drivers are assigned to a company truck and have no choice.
An automatic transmission driver may be much better off safety wise for himself and the general public than a manual driver because he has one less thing to distract him from driving.

Manual transmissions are going the way of the dial-up telephone.
Way back when I wore one of my other hats, I ran the snow belt in NY, Toronto and Ottawa. I would much rather have a manual so I can feel the ice. But then I also prefer a set of pups over a 53'.
 
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EV sales are on the rise as in the numbers of EVs tagged year each is climbing. So the transition from ICE to EVs continues as it will for decades to come. The rate of EV adoption like many large ticket items have have slowed. This is true for Tesla the most profitable EV source in the world but their sales will be up about 500,000 cars over 2022 and the ICE slow death spiral will speed up post strike. Unless you or I die in the next 25 we will be able to buy all of the ICE cars that we want. Unfortunately they will be $5,000 or more expensive than a comparable EV.
BS....
 
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Maybe you can get with your brother-in-law in the industry and have him step you through how they determine what price to sell vehicles for and why ICE is being phased out due to performance issues. It is not that ICE is evil. It's just no longer makes sense for many of the people's trips. I am not in favor of having a dictator in Russia or the middle east determine the price of my fuel. I do have 220 volts to my house tapped off of a new three phase line so there is no trucks involved to haul liquid fuels. National security and future of the kids and future generations that concern me. I am opposed to the do nothing mindset and just turn the automotive supply over to China.. I don't buy into global warming is an issue that is going to be addressed by EVs and no one in the right mind does. Again EVs just make dollar sense to many of us that are planning to live several decades into the future.
 

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