Will UAW Strike?

[lilranch2001]

Can't we all just get along?

Naaaaaaaa

 

[MossRoad]

I was hoping someone would say wax on, wax off.

 

[Oaktree]

I see Fords and Fain/UAW have come to a tentative agreement that has to be ratified and voted on but that still leaves GM and Stellantis groveling. They didn't get their 40% either. They got 24% over 4 years. Still knowing who I do at Fords, I'm confident that Fords will be building plants in RTW states and moving south and opening in a non union atmosphere.

Yeah, we'll see how that works out. Have any of the Detroit automakers gotten out from under union contracts by moving to RTW states?

I'd be interested in what your inside contact at Ford has to say about why they caved so soon. Maybe they didn't give Fain everything, but they sure gave up a lot. Not sure they set a good precedent moving forward.

Doesn't affect me directly since I never buy new, but higher new car prices=higher used car prices. As many here have noted, it's getting so that fewer and fewer people can afford a new car, and this isn't gonna help.

 

[Oaktree]

Every time I work on either Ford I gain a new appreciation for Japanese engineering, but, especially w/the Focus, it's probably half frustration that things got so complicated and I can't do as much as I could on the older vehicles.

Meh. I haven't found any make that's consistently easier to work on than others. They all cut corners, and they all do stuff that makes you wonder if the design engineers have a clue what the real world is like. I've cussed "Japanese engineering" just as much as I have American or German.

 

[5030]

Yeah, we'll see how that works out. Have any of the Detroit automakers gotten out from under union contracts by moving to RTW states?

No. The only way they can is to declare bankruptcy and reorganize non union or Relocate to Mexico (which they already have done) I cannot allude to anything I know as it would endanger my BIL's executive position at Fords. I won't do that. Lets just say there are plans underfoot to divest themselves of the UAW.

I won't buy new anyway, just too expensive. I always buy off lease however and let the original person who initiates the lease pay the depreciation and lease payments and then I come in and offer cash and get my vehicle, most times still under factory warranty.

I'd be interested in what your inside contact at Ford has to say about why they caved so soon. Maybe they didn't give Fain everything, but they sure gave up a lot. Not sure they set a good precedent moving forward.

Doesn't affect me directly since I never buy new, but higher new car prices=higher used car prices. As many here have noted, it's getting so that fewer and fewer people can afford a new car, and this isn't gonna help.

When a new vehicle costs more than what out farm cost, I draw the line. No vehicle appreciates that I know of unless it's a classic. Real estate appreciates. I ought to know in as much as we own the farm plus 3 rental homes.

I'll take real estate over a 401 or ERA anyday.

 

[airbiscuit]

Fords allowing a strike over a plant closing surprised me. The only thing I thought is that they would take a plant down to 25% capacity, and let it die on the vine.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Another nail in the ICE coffin.

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-q3-earnings-uaw-strike-cost-13-billion-overshadowing-12b-net-income

 

[Hay Dude]

LOL

 

[Torvy]

Another nail in the ICE coffin.

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-q3-earnings-uaw-strike-cost-13-billion-overshadowing-12b-net-income

Apparently you didn't read your own article.

The costs of the strike are not simply going to increase the cost of ICE vehicles. That overhead will be spread across the entire business.

More importantly, the article makes it clear EV sales are tanking. Sure, they quote a guy who says they are growing, just not as much as we expected. Read between the lines. That is sales speak for 'holy crap, Martha, the water's rising and we don't have a bucket'.

As mentioned earlier, most people who want an EV have already got one. The infrastructure cannot handle the death of ICE in the next 30 years. We simply have too little reliable electric production and transmission for that.

I actually feel sorry for y'all who bought an EV expecting to drive it for 10+ years. Those who want EV in the future will not want to buy your 'old tech' anymore than people wanted to buy a 286 PC after the 386 came out. You'll end up having to pay for hazardous waste disposal and pay full freight for whatever replaces EV. Even if EVs are still being sold, the tech will move fast enough that current models will be worthless in trade. You might be able to find some guy to retrofit your EV with new tech, but it will not be cheap.

 

[Hay Dude]

Apparently you didn't read your own article.

The costs of the strike are not simply going to increase the cost of ICE vehicles. That overhead will be spread across the entire business.

More importantly, the article makes it clear EV sales are tanking. Sure, they quote a guy who says they are growing, just not as much as we expected. Read between the lines. That is sales speak for 'holy crap, Martha, the water's rising and we don't have a bucket'.

As mentioned earlier, most people who want an EV have already got one. The infrastructure cannot handle the death of ICE in the next 30 years. We simply have too little reliable electric production and transmission for that.

I actually feel sorry for y'all who bought an EV expecting to drive it for 10+ years. Those who want EV in the future will not want to buy your 'old tech' anymore than people wanted to buy a 286 PC after the 386 came out. You'll end up having to pay for hazardous waste disposal and pay full freight for whatever replaces EV. Even if EVs are still being sold, the tech will move fast enough that current models will be worthless in trade. You might be able to find some guy to retrofit your EV with new tech, but it will not be cheap.

Exactly.
The owners of todays EV’s actually own the “brick” cell phone of the 90’s.