DPF problems..

Southernspeed · Oct 16, 2023

CloverKnollFarms said:
With a CLEANED DPF, it should not request a regen at 4 hours.

My 1739e used to regen every 4 hours throughout the 1000+ hours I put on it. I 'think' the manual even said it would be every 4. My 2850 is every 20 or so.

Southernspeed · Oct 16, 2023

j23 said:
I was looking at new tractors this morning, specifically the JD3025, which is about the same physical size and has similar capabilities to my 1734e, but with a 24hp engine to skirt the EPA garbage. But then I see Massey has the new 1825e, which I guess is competing with the JD. Same size as my 1734e but with a 24hp diesel so that you don't have to deal with emissions.

Part of me wants to just tell the sales manager to make me a trade offer on a new 1825e (sucks that I'll have to have a payment again, but lesson learned, buying a new tractor these days doesn't net you decades of service as in days of yore; e.g. Farmall, Ford 9n, ect.). But then the other, hurt and now vindictive side of me says I ain't giving AGCO another dime of my hard earned money.

I don't know, I'll wait and see how they handle this ordeal before I make any rash decisions.

Can you make do with 25hp? That's quite a step down in power and presumably weight?

sliderbuck · Oct 16, 2023

Can always get it tuned out of the ECM or buy an emulator from overseas. Then either hollow out your current DPF or fab up a muffler in its place. No more issues then.

CloverKnollFarms · Oct 17, 2023

Southernspeed said:
My 1739e used to regen every 4 hours throughout the 1000+ hours I put on it. I 'think' the manual even said it would be every 4. My 2850 is every 20 or so.

Many older units were based on time, and not soot load, that makes sense

j23 · Oct 17, 2023

Southernspeed said:
Can you make do with 25hp? That's quite a step down in power and presumably weight?

To not deal with the aggravation and downtime and cost associated with the emissions, yes. I'll make due.

As long as the lift capabilites and size are close, then yes. I don't run too much as far as implements. Post hole digger. 60" finish mower. Mostly used to plow/disc and blade the drive way.

I watched a fella on YouTube run a square baler on a JD3025. 25 horse should be plenty.

j23 · Oct 17, 2023

sliderbuck said:
Can always get it tuned out of the ECM or buy an emulator from overseas. Then either hollow out your current DPF or fab up a muffler in its place. No more issues then.

Physically eliminating the DPF is actually quite simple on my machine. It's a square flange on one end, and a slip pipe on the othet. I can fab up the flange on a mill, and weld a section of 2"(?) Stainless pipe to it, and it's done.

The ECM on the other hand, that's beyond my expertise. And I have yet to find anyone selling a modified ECM or a tuner online.

CloverKnollFarms · Oct 17, 2023

Yes, removing the can is one thing... Keeping the ECM from limping the engine is another. If it were easy, people would have done it. I've yet to see anyone do it, because the ECM is the problem with common rail injection

Eagle1 · Oct 17, 2023

Or no one admitting it?

CloverKnollFarms · Oct 17, 2023

Eagle1 said:
Or no one admitting it?

I've seen plenty admit it on the mechanical injected motors... Because they can. Not a single ECM motor

5030 · Oct 17, 2023

Every time I read about the T4 final woes, I thank my lucky stars I don't have that to deal with. Something about 100% mechanical injection makes me comfortable.

Never have had a fuel delivery issue with either of my large frame Kubota's and (hopefully) never will and both of them are pretty darn efficient on fuel usage as well.

j23 · Oct 17, 2023

5030 said:
Every time I read about the T4 final woes, I thank my lucky stars I don't have that to deal with.

...can't wait to see what Tier V, VI, VII and VIII has in store for us!!!

I was telling my wife just the other day, the way things are progressing, I'm glad I'm well past the halfway mark.

j23 · Oct 17, 2023

Eagle1 said:
Or no one admitting it?

Nah, I just don't think there's enough money in compact utility tractors to offset the time, cost, and the potential legalities of designing, manufacturing and selling delete kits for them.

Eagle1 · Oct 17, 2023

There are people that remap the ECU not cheap but less than the OP just spend I believe. Below is on example.

Massey Ferguson 1734E and 1739E Tractor’s DPF and EGR delete

5030 · Oct 17, 2023

The inherent issue with that is, if the EPA gets wind of anyone selling a delete kit, they go after them, fine them and shut them down.

5030 · Oct 17, 2023

j23 said:
...can't wait to see what Tier V, VI, VII and VIII has in store for us!!!

Even chainsaws are now sporting Catalytic Convertors. Couple months ago I purchase a new Echo top handle arborist saw and it had a cat in the muffler, which I removed before I even fired it up. Then you have Stihl with their E-Tronic fuel injection and most likely a cat as well at some point. At least they are pretty easy to remove (Cats).

j23 · Oct 17, 2023

5030 said:
Even chainsaws are now sporting Catalytic Convertors. Couple months ago I purchase a new Echo top handle arborist saw and it had a cat in the muffler, which I removed before I even fired it up. Then you have Stihl with their E-Tronic fuel injection and most likely a cat as well at some point. At least they are pretty easy to remove (Cats).

...for now. Give it time.

5030 · Oct 17, 2023

Really not all that easy I might add as you have to take the muffler apart and chainsaw mufflers are all roll crimped together so I ground off the roll crimp, removed the cat and welded the 2 parts back together with my TIG welder.

sliderbuck · Oct 17, 2023

j23 said:
Physically eliminating the DPF is actually quite simple on my machine. It's a square flange on one end, and a slip pipe on the othet. I can fab up the flange on a mill, and weld a section of 2"(?) Stainless pipe to it, and it's done.

The ECM on the other hand, that's beyond my expertise. And I have yet to find anyone selling a modified ECM or a tuner online.

Google DPF emulator. Theres several companies selling them. Not sure where you're from but you should be able to find someone who will program your stock ECM. Ive got 3 people close to me thatll do it. 1800-2000 is the price. Emulators start around 150 and go up to a couple grand.

K5lwq · Oct 17, 2023

j23 said:
Physically eliminating the DPF is actually quite simple on my machine. It's a square flange on one end, and a slip pipe on the othet. I can fab up the flange on a mill, and weld a section of 2"(?) Stainless pipe to it, and it's done.

The ECM on the other hand, that's beyond my expertise. And I have yet to find anyone selling a modified ECM or a tuner online.

I thought your tractor has a mechanical injector pump. Can you post pictures of the injectors and pump?

K5lwq · Oct 18, 2023

There may even be a way without reprogramming the ecm. I think it uses a motor servo type system to control the injector pump. But it sure looks doable without any issues.

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