Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[Hay Dude]

Which is why they made the Inflation Reduction Act, investing money in American jobs so we are less tied to China.

Read this article and then tell me about “American solar jobs”

How China’s Solar Industry Is Set Up To Be The New Green OPEC

Solar panels are seen as one of the saving graces of climate change. China runs the market.

www.forbes.com

 

[walhondingMF]

Such memes are created by people who can not balance their checkbook.

They skip over simple realities and assume a PV panel with 20 year performance warranty will be dead unusable 20 years and 1 day later. The fact is while it might have been a 240W panel and is only producing 200W, that it is still producing 200W and the only reason to replace it is to install a new higher output panel. Leave it alone, it costs nothing and is generating power.

But lets say there is now a 6 million tons/year supply of used solar panels? As Elon Musk said about used lithium batteries, "There is no richer source of raw materials." Used solar panels are about 1000 times richer in the interesting stuff than ore mined from the ground. Those darn Capitalists will step in and make a profit from used PV panels! Assuming we have any resemblance of a Capitalist Economy in 2050.

And when it comes to companies, we all know they are going to do what's the most profitable. There is a company in town here that removes vanadium from old steel to be used in a variety of products, including solar panels and batteries. It's cheaper to do this than mine for more. The company is a large employer.

 

[Hay Dude]

And when it comes to companies, we all know they are going to do what's the most profitable. There is a company in town here that removes vanadium from old steel to be used in a variety of products, including solar panels and batteries. It's cheaper to do this than mine for more. The company is a large employer.

Wonder if they do that in China where 8 of the 10 largest solar panel suppliers in the world are located?

 

[walhondingMF]

The ”inflation reduction act” is a JOKE.
We currently have, and have had, record inflation for 2 years and your boys latest fake attempt at reducing it is worthless

You can blame the current office all you want. The fact is, workers in America have had a 9% increase in wages but stock holder profits for fortune 500 countries since the pandemic have gone up 25-30%. It's called price gouging.

 

[walhondingMF]

Wonder if they do that in China where 8 of the 10 largest solar panel suppliers in the world are located?

Actually the company sells vanadium to Chinese companies (not exclusively) because THERE ARE NO SOLAR PANEL FACTORIES IN AMERICA (I understand that's an exaggeration). Hence, the government encouraging more manufacturing in America. There are factories that make these kinds of products popping up all over the country.

 

[Hay Dude]

You can blame the current office all you want. The fact is, workers in America have had a 9% increase in wages but stock holder profits for fortune 500 countries since the pandemic have gone up 25-30%. It's called price gouging.

We’re really jumping around here. I’m talking about solar panels being made in China, while you’re falsely implying the inflation reduction act is countering that. I supply a Forbes link that easily demonstrates that most solar panels come from china, refuting your claim.

We call that “deflection”.

 

[Hay Dude]

Actually the company sells vanadium to Chinese companies (not exclusively) because THERE ARE NO SOLAR PANEL FACTORIES IN AMERICA (I understand that's an exaggeration). Hence, the government encouraging more manufacturing in America. There are factories that make these kinds of products popping up all over the country.

“encouraging”?

Yeah, well I’m encouraging my bank account to grow bigger, but that’s not going to happen. Meanwhile, we keep unboxing chinese solar panels and plopping them down on fields that used to produce food.

 

[walhondingMF]

The government is too big when it is in the position to make such concessions.

No kidding. But do you think the people that live in that rust belt town care? No, they're just glad there is money coming into their community. Don't care if it's from the government or not. The Amazon warehouse and new facebook data facility east of columbus ohio just built 2 brand new high schools. Also moved so many people in they needed another high school and employees a lot of people. Those companies came in because the governments there worked to make it happen.

 

[Eagle1]

US wage growth.....so we help the bottom by hurting the 90%?

 

[kenmbz]

I think that’s disingenuous. The paper/wood pulp companies have invested in reforestation for 50+ years.

yes, pulp wood, we saw the forest change drastically when replanted.
The mills are all closed as evidence and few loggers left.
Argue with the wall, we saw this happen all over the NE.

 

[Hay Dude]

No kidding. But do you think the people that live in that rust belt town care? No, they're just glad there is money coming into their community. Don't care if it's from the government or not. The Amazon warehouse and new facebook data facility east of columbus ohio just built 2 brand new high schools. Also moved so many people in they needed another high school and employees a lot of people. Those companies came in because the governments there worked to make it happen.

That is just your opinion. I LIVE in the rust belt and I can tell you that most people want long term great paying jobs and security, not government handout crap.

 

[walhondingMF]

We’re really jumping around here. I’m talking about solar panels being made in China, while you’re falsely implying the inflation reduction act is countering that. I supply a Forbes link that easily demonstrates that most solar panels come from china, refuting your claim.

We call that “deflection”.

Over the last several days in discussing this topic, I have repeatedly stated that I know where all of our solar panels come from. Your solution to that problem is to just not use solar panels. My solution, every time I have stated it, is for the government to entice American manufacturing of solar panels. I'm not deflecting, I am giving my solution to that problem.
We call that "problem solving." And before you say that America has plenty of NG for 300 years, I will remind you that at last 4-5 times I have stated that there is government investment in natural gas as well. That's why it produces more electricity in America than any other source right now.

 

[walhondingMF]

yes, pulp wood, we saw the forest change drastically when replanted.
The mills are all closed as evidence and few loggers left.
Argue with the wall, we saw this happen all over the NE.

And Massey energy out of St. Clairsville, OH was supposed to invest in its coal miners until they fought to not give them their pensions. Massey Energy could have invested in the next big thing around here. Not solar, but NG. They didn't. Bad business. So all of their employees are supposed to support their families based on the business decisions of a stubborn old man?

 

[KilroyJC]

You can blame the current office all you want. The fact is, workers in America have had a 9% increase in wages but stock holder profits for fortune 500 countries since the pandemic have gone up 25-30%. It's called price gouging.

I don’t know anyone who is experiencing this wonderful wage growth. Do you? Everyone I know is lucky they aren’t getting cut or laid off, and my portfolio is down significantly from 2-1/2 years ago… a drastic change from when we had energy independence and industry finally coming back.

the biggest gouger is the government - it is not your friend.

 

[Hay Dude]

And Massey energy out of St. Clairsville, OH was supposed to invest in its coal miners until they fought to not give them their pensions. Massey Energy could have invested in the next big thing around here. Not solar, but NG. They didn't. Bad business. So all of their employees are supposed to support their families based on the business decisions of a stubborn old man?

You won’t have that problem with imported solar panels. Just think…..American farm fields covered with products made in China under a cloud of pollution and possibly by slave labor!

Awesome!

 

[walhondingMF]

The trillions they spent aren’t working and they won’t work because we all know they are just campaign contribution paybacks to unions and big donors. Little is going into American jobs.

The results aren’t there. We are still importing the vast majority of everything from China. It’s a trillion dollar payback boondoggle, just like Solyndra.

Big promises and poor results again.

Jesus it's been a year. You expect all of the companies that import materials to just stop and start buying things from American companies that do not exist yet?

 

[Hay Dude]

Jesus it's been a year. You expect all of the companies that import materials to just stop and start buying things from American companies that do not exist yet?

If the government gave them money like they did 15 years ago, like they did Solyndra and others, like car companies to build EV’s, I would expect that, yes.

This has been going on since 2008-WAY more than a year. We have been told the world will end in X years for a long long time. Incentives have been there for solar panels forever. Yet mostly made in China.

10% for the ……..

 

[walhondingMF]

I don’t know anyone who is experiencing this wonderful wage growth. Do you? Everyone I know is lucky they aren’t getting cut or laid off, and my portfolio is down significantly from 2-1/2 years ago… a drastic change from when we had energy independence and industry finally coming back.

the biggest gouger is the government - it is not your friend.

1. The 9% is a national average. 2. Unemployment in my part of Appalachia is very low right now because of NG. There's new residential and commercial construction all over. We're getting a new school. The lower end of the middle class is struggling because gas costs more. Last I checked, the federal government doesn't set gas prices.

 

[Hay Dude]

1. The 9% is a national average. 2. Unemployment in my part of Appalachia is very low right now because of NG. There's new residential and commercial construction all over. We're getting a new school. The lower end of the middle class is struggling because gas costs more. Last I checked, the federal government doesn't set gas prices.

But they TAX and REGULATE them!
Dayummmm, WAKE UP!