Add hand pump to Well

[ROUSTABOUT]

Unclear where the toting, wheelbarrows, and wagons come from?

Fill cistern and chlorinate before grid goes down, use cistern for drinkable water only using gravity or short depth hand pump -should last months. When getting low, use generator to run well pump to refill.

A little prep here will last years of potable drinking water. And if/when the grid comes back up you haven't torn out your well system and need a professional to come hook it back up

When things went down here, no pump at any gas station worked. You seem to be stuck on being out of power a few hours. He is talking grid down. Before the sickness, the lead time was 18 months on a big transformer. Their grid will be down also, where transformers are made. If I have some fuel, I'm plowing with it. I'm not running a generator to get water I can do with a rope and bucket. You'll be wishing you had solid tired hand buggies. I've lived long times without water and electric. Main thing I needed, or missed, was an air compressor. I was good except for that. Of course I still have vehicles and lawn mowers. I have two gas compressors. Plus a couple all metal 12v compressors. Best flashlights are the cheap plastic LED that use one D cell battery, lasts for years. Have some 5 years old and using same battery. I wear them on an old hard hat if I'm doing outside. Solar lights, I do like having a light in the house at night. Battery radio, I like AM talk radio at night. I do have a 6 cylinder, 60 kw generator, 25 kw PTO generator, 5000 watt generator, Lincoln welder generator. But, haven't needed to use them. Mostly use my power inverters on a bank of batteries. If you want to survive the future life, you have to go ahead and live it before it gets here. Gobekli Tepe was a great starter.

 

[tradosaurus]

I thought the maximum ‘water lift’ was about 10 metres or 30 feet. How are hand pumps pumping beyond that?

 

[MTGreen]

I thought the maximum ‘water lift’ was about 10 metres or 30 feet. How are hand pumps pumping beyond that?

Apparently there is such an animal -see links in posts 2 and 6

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

I thought the maximum ‘water lift’ was about 10 metres or 30 feet. How are hand pumps pumping beyond that?

Both windmill pumps and deep well hand pumps have "sucker rods" that connect the pumping action at the top of the well with the water inlet deep inside the well. In essence they are pushing water up from the bottom of the well with each stroke of the "sucker rod"/piston.

 

[Menagerie-Manor]

What elevation is your water level at within the well casing, may not be all that far down

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Unclear where the toting, wheelbarrows, and wagons come from?

Fill cistern and chlorinate before grid goes down, use cistern for drinkable water only using gravity or short depth hand pump -should last months. When getting low, use generator to run well pump to refill.

A little prep here will last years of potable drinking water. And if/when the grid comes back up you haven't torn out your well system and need a professional to come hook it back up

I am the professional. I'm the one they call.

 

[etpm]

I thought the maximum ‘water lift’ was about 10 metres or 30 feet. How are hand pumps pumping beyond that?

This is because they push the water up rather than pull the water up. This means some sort of rod or cable must extend to the pump which is below the water level in the well casing. So if the pump needs to be 200 feet below the surface then the rod or cable operating the pump must also be 200 feet long. So when pumping the water not only the weight of the water but the weight of the rod or cable must also be lifted. At sea level the water pressure is about 33 feet of water. So if you try to suck up water more than 33 feet you instead get a vacuum. This vacuum would fill with steam if you tried pulling water up a pipe. But even getting close to the maximum 33 feet, depending on the barometric pressure at sea level, will make pumping much less efficient because at the start of the pumping cycle you would be pulling more than a vacuum so water vapor, steam, would first start to form. Once the water catches up you will be pulling just water but at the beginning of each stroke part of the stroke will be water vapor. This means that practical pumping by sucking up the water is really only good to about 27 feet if pumping slowly. The faster you try to suck up the water the more vacuum you will get which gets filled with water vapor. And the higher you go in elevation the less you can suck up. This is, of course, because we don't actually suck the water up. Instead it is air pressure which pushes the water up into the void we create when trying to pull water up a pipe.
Eric

 

[jyoutz]

If grid goes down, pull the pump because it is useless. Get some 3" and make a few well buckets. Get a good greaseable pulley, not a flea market special, but a good oilfield type. Set you up a place to fasten it above well. Get you a few 300' ropes NOW. Local stores usually have 50' of big rope. So you need to order some. Your well buckets, get some 3" and put a bell reducer and be able to screw a check valve, spring loaded type, on bottom of this bucket you done made. Secret is, take the spring out of the check valve. Then, just the weight of the bucket will displace the seated ball and allow bucket to fill. Oh top of bucket, cut a collar in half and glue it onto pipe. Bail for bucket then can be bolted across pipe, just under collar you glued on. That way your bolt heads won't be scraping things. Me, I'd make a few buckets, buy a few ropes, few pulleys. All the things you have to do if the grid does go down, none of it happens without water. That's just how it is. I would stock up on instant coffee too. I heat water and put in thermal bottles so I have hot coffee before first light.

Seems like it would be easier to just fire up the generator.

 

[mikester]

 

[Egon]

I don't know all them scientific terms. Though my method was scientifically figured out.

That’s the term used for equipment used to clean out debris from a well bore. It’ readily available. Instead of slick line I should have said cat head. MOTORIZED CATHEAD KIT | acker-drill-company

 

[Egon]

I thought the maximum ‘water lift’ was about 10 metres or 30 feet. How are hand pumps pumping beyond that?

The well has pump cylinder set below the water level and activated by a pump jack and sucker rod. It lifts the water rather than pushing. It’s a positive displacement pump. There are many different valve arrangements depending on circumstances.

 

[CobyRupert]

The well has pump cylinder set below the water level and activated by a pump jack and sucker rod. It lifts the water rather than pushing. It’s a positive displacement pump. There are many different valve arrangements depending on circumstances.

The pump (cylinder and piston) is at the bottom of the well, right? And it’s a long rod that extends to the bottom? If so, I’d call that pushing water up the pipe.

My understanding is: If the pump is at the top it, like a classic hand pump, it can only “lift” (suck) water about 10 meters.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Seems like it would be easier to just fire up the generator.

Power outage and grid down are two different things.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

That’s the term used for equipment used to clean out debris from a well bore. It’ readily available. Instead of slick line I should have said cat head. MOTORIZED CATHEAD KIT | acker-drill-company

Motorized things aren't there in a grid down situation. Just a power outage, yes you can have motorized things. We are talking grid down, not outage.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

The well has pump cylinder set below the water level and activated by a pump jack and sucker rod. It lifts the water rather than pushing. It’s a positive displacement pump. There are many different valve arrangements depending on circumstances.

Too many sealing thingys to deal with in a grid down. Bucket and rope is the simplest way to get water from a deep hole in the ground. Right now, buckets, check valves, rope, pulleys, are available. I've never dug a well. I have drilled them with only a pipe wrench to turn the bit, water hose pressuring the top of each pipe as we went down. We didn't have running water for the process. We had a tank on a trailer made for doing tar roofs. But it had a pto pump and we pulled with a tractor and filled it at a creek.

 

[Egon]

The pump (cylinder and piston) is at the bottom of the well, right? And it’s a long rod that extends to the bottom? If so, I’d call that pushing water up the pipe.

My understanding is: If the pump is at the top it, like a classic hand pump, it can only “lift” (suck) water about 10 meters.

The water is lifted on the pump up stroke.

Pushing on a sucker rod means you get to replace the tubing and rod very very frequently.
Sucker rods usually come in short lengths that are screwed together. Some may be a continuous rod.

 

[Egon]

Too many sealing thingys to deal with in a grid down. Bucket and rope is the simplest way to get water from a deep hole in the ground. Right now, buckets, check valves, rope, pulleys, are available. I've never dug a well. I have drilled them with only a pipe wrench to turn the bit, water hose pressuring the top of each pipe as we went down. We didn't have running water for the process. We had a tank on a trailer made for doing tar roofs. But it had a pto pump and we pulled with a tractor and filled it at a creek.

The rod pump is pretty reliable and is very uncomplicated.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

The rod pump is pretty reliable and is very uncomplicated.

He was talking grid down. No spare parts available. So the simplest with less parts.

 

[Egon]

He was talking grid down. No spare parts available. So the simplest with less parts.

Ain’t hard to cut leathers for the pump.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Ain’t hard to cut leathers for the pump.

Now we have to add a course on making leather. Well over 99% can't make any. Plus you have to pull pump tube and succer rod.