Gov't mandates gas can flame arrestors.

[5030]

It just makes those empty 5 gallon pails from motor oil and hytran so much better sounding

Mine comes in 55 gallon drums. Pretty hard to pour from...lol

 

[BigBlue1]

Society dictates supply and subsequent demand and we have become a cheap, discarding society beholden to China. Lack of competition/manufacturing within the USA is the issue and often people go with "cheap" partly due to lack of choices (supply) and declining and unstable domestic economics. Manufacturing our products domestically solves much of this......

People in a free society should be the solution to over-regulated policies and subsequent production of items we need........ "mandatory" solutions from bureaucratic desk jockeys and virtue signalling metropolitan input seldom serves the public as a whole. The key words here are "as a whole" since rural life is more independent and gears their life towards less government dependency and the subsequent overreach it enforces on us.

A huge part of why we've lost manufacturing and end up buying from other countries is that US has made things so expensive to do here. Regulations, lawsuits, insurance, high minimum wages, taxes, environmental restrictions, unions, etc. all contribute to making manufacturing expensive here. Then, if there is no difference in quality or capability between a US made product and a China made product people are going to choose the cheaper one. Our own government and social goals put us in this position.

 

[LouNY]

Mine comes in 55 gallon drums. Pretty hard to pour from...lol

We prefer the 5 gallon buckets, just been handier for use. We have had the 55 gallon drums
and have gone back to 5 gallon pails. When we do a hytran changes we will go with a drum.

 

[GeneV]

A huge part of why we've lost manufacturing and end up buying from other countries is that US has made things so expensive to do here. Regulations, lawsuits, insurance, high minimum wages, taxes, environmental restrictions, unions, etc. all contribute to making manufacturing expensive here. Then, if there is no difference in quality or capability between a US made product and a China made product people are going to choose the cheaper one. Our own government and social goals put us in this position.

...for the purposes of an average homeowner/hobbyist. Harbor Freight found their stride with that market bigtime, with their usual consumer not requiring tooling built to last forever.

 

[mx842]

Why I use Eagle metal flip top gas and diesel cans. No spout at all and the do have the arrestor screen inside that don't impact the flow at all. Not cheap however unlike the poly cans. As with anything today, you get what you pay for.

They are still a pain to pour from the cap always seems to get in the way especially if you are pouring fuel into a tight place like when trying to get fuel into a skid steer or even the tank of your truck. I had probably had 10 of those in my barn and hardly ever used them. I did cut a hole near the bottom and put small gate valves on them and that made it a little easier to use but still not perfect. The other thing is the two new ones I just got is that it is almost impossible to get 5 gals in them. About 41/2 gals is the best you can get unless you want to spend a half day at the pump letting fuel out of the nozzel a drip at a time. Try it any faster than that and you'll have fuel all over you, your truck and all over the ground.
I'm just going back to the way I used to do it, put a 55 gal barrel in the back of my truck then go fill it up and pump out of that into what ever you need filled up.

 

[GeneV]

It's not really the arrestor screen that's the big problem it's the pour spout that you have to turn, push, pull, bend and almost destroy to get the dang fuel out of the can that will make you want throw the whole thing in the fire. Personally I like to put the spout in the tank and have the fuel come out like it should and not in spurts or start, stop, start, stop and so on.

So wait, the flame arrestor is just the mesh screen down there in the can? Oh that's no biggie, I got that on mines and I just assumed it was to keep bugs and stuff out. Yeh I'm fine with that, it's the annoying spouts I hate, ain't gonna use em.

 

[MossRoad]

So wait, the flame arrestor is just the mesh screen down there in the can? Oh that's no biggie, I got that on mines and I just assumed it was to keep bugs and stuff out. Yeh I'm fine with that, it's the annoying spouts I hate, ain't gonna use em.

Yes and yes.

 

[MossRoad]

Here's a cutaway view.

 

[shooterdon]

They are still a pain to pour from the cap always seems to get in the way especially if you are pouring fuel into a tight place like when trying to get fuel into a skid steer or even the tank of your truck. I had probably had 10 of those in my barn and hardly ever used them. I did cut a hole near the bottom and put small gate valves on them and that made it a little easier to use but still not perfect. The other thing is the two new ones I just got is that it is almost impossible to get 5 gals in them. About 41/2 gals is the best you can get unless you want to spend a half day at the pump letting fuel out of the nozzel a drip at a time. Try it any faster than that and you'll have fuel all over you, your truck and all over the ground.
I'm just going back to the way I used to do it, put a 55 gal barrel in the back of my truck then go fill it up and pump out of that into what ever you need filled up.

Some (most?) places will not allow you to fill a drum in the back of your truck.

 

[LouNY]

The few times I've filled a drum at gas station I haven't had a problem, they do all have signs that portable cans are to be filled on the ground.

 

[MossRoad]

The few times I've filled a drum at gas station I haven't had a problem, they do all have signs that portable cans are to be filled on the ground.

Yep. That and the one about unauthorized containers.

 

[K5lwq]

Yep. That and the one about unauthorized containers.

Lou authorized his container so no problem there.

 

[MossRoad]

Lou authorized his container so no problem there.

 

[jedjoe]

I get the frustration with the newer gas cans. Pain in the arse. But the comparison with Fentanyl is illogical. Gas cans are a manufactured product, and like all products in the US, are subject to safety review. The fentanyl crossing the border is not a product subject to US laws. And "sealing the border" sounds great, but will never happen. Walls or no walls, it will always be permeable. Our US ports only inspect a tiny minority of the shipping containers that arrive here everyday. If not in backpack, it will just come in a metal box.

Doesn't matter whether it's lead in dishware or faulty electrical products or gas cans. Once the hazard has been identified, it's morally correct to at least try to remedy it. The problem isn't government bureaucracy, it's the individual who injures himself with a product, and rather than accepting responsibility for his stupidity or recklessness, wants to blame the manufacturer of the product. Both government and industry has no choice but to make things safer. Those of you who have re-engineered your cans to bypass the safety feature (including me) are also the guys who would take ownership if something went wrong, and not look for someone else to blame if you injured yourself. You're right, stupidity will always exist, and it can't be engineered or legislated away. Chainsaws and tractors will always be dangerous no matter what we do to improve them. But some changes we all can agree are just sensible (like ROPS). What needs to change is an enduring sense of personal responsibility and common sense.

 

[Torvy]

While most of us can agree that ROPS is a good idea, it and any other safety device should not be mandatory. I don't have a problem with the government recommending a device, but mandates can easily be turned into political or financial opportunities that have zero to do with keeping anyone safe. If a device actually works, people will buy it and pay extra as long as the extra is within reason...of course, the market being the best arbiter of price, equilibrium will occur and shift as needed.

 

[5030]

No issues with any of my Eagles and my 'spring loaded lids' all lock back. Only for gas as all my diesel comes from the bulk tank

You get what you pay for. Cheap poly cans are just that. Cheap.

 

[shooterdon]

I have poly gas containers I bought for Y2K still in use. Like them a lot more than the newer ones. I was going to "upgrade" but think I will keep them. I know they are an accident waiting to happen but will roll the dice.

Sometimes it is hard to see the level in them. Was going to use my lighter to see down the spout better but this little voice said..."Are you a dufus?" I learned to listen to that little voice as it has a lot of common sense.

 

[MTGreen]

While most of us can agree that ROPS is a good idea, it and any other safety device should not be mandatory. I don't have a problem with the government recommending a device, but mandates can easily be turned into political or financial opportunities that have zero to do with keeping anyone safe. If a device actually works, people will buy it and pay extra as long as the extra is within reason...of course, the market being the best arbiter of price, equilibrium will occur and shift as needed.

While I certainly agree with you in theory, the idiots who do successfully or unsuccessfully sue the manufacturers cost the manufacturer's money which in turn gets passed on to us the consumers so we end up paying for their stupidity. Then those same idiots use the local state Medicaid and go on disability for their injury and again we as the taxpayers end up footing the bill.

I am very much anti-nanny state and like most of the folks here these types of laws are bad for our collective blood pressure. Don't know what a good solution is, maybe more robust protection for manufacturers from idiot misuse of their products

 

[cbg8670]

Like others iv had to buy cans ..then buy necks cause the fancy valves don't work..

I'm good with suggestions but don't force it down my throat

Lastly get rid of ambulance chasing lawyers, and the jury's that award the BS lawsuits..

SELF RESPONSIBILITY

 

[seijirou]

A lot of negative knee-jerk responses. I was about seven or eight years old 1968, I set my pants on fire messing around with gasoline. I didn’t get any burns or scars, but a kid that lived right down the road from me had nasty visible scars on his neck and arm and I assume his torso. So you’re saying children should be thinned from the gene pool.

Well, you weren't born knowing it all like the heroes here, clearly weak genes that should have been purged.

I'm glad you didn't get burned though. Mostly I'm glad because it was 1968 I didn't have to contribute $0.05 more for a gas can to give you dramatically better chances of not getting burned, if that was why I'd be significantly less glad about it.

Anyway, somehow I'm definitely a victim in all of this. I miss the gold old days, when a chainsaw would kick back and take half your face off, like God intended. I love my neighbor as I love myself, unless my neighbor happens not to know any better then I'm high-fiving Darwin all the way to the water-cooler story bank!