Gov't mandates gas can flame arrestors.

[MossRoad]

I wonder what regulations will be put on the electron cans for the new EVs?

Lighting arrestors.

 

[jyoutz]

There can be an EPA, but it should come with a balanced mentality.
Regulating entire American manufacturing sectors out of existence isn’t exactly what I’d call balanced.

Maybe include a one time use flame suit with every plastic gas can?

I agree

 

[jyoutz]

I wonder what regulations will be put on the electron cans for the new EVs?

I’m sure those chargers have a butt load of electrical code requirements so that people don’t get fried while using them.

 

[jyoutz]

Yeah border crossings from Canada.
Millions coming in each year. Come on. What comes through Canada and the coasts is miniscule

I’d like to see Congress fix Bureau of land management. What they do to ranchers is reprehensible.

Ranchers basically dictate the regulations for BLM, and grazing management on those lands is more lax than other federal, state, and private lands. There’s a reason why BLM is referred to as the Bureau of Livestock’s and Mining.

 

[Snobdds]

Blitz was sued to death. Nothing to do with over regulation. They just couldn't afford to fight any more lawsuits, in part because....

"the, “litigation” stemmed from more than 75 known incidents of people severely burned or killed when a Blitz gas can exploded. Fourteen people were burned to death, six of them children. With millions of these gas cans still in use around the country, the injuries and deaths are expected to continue. While the company faced overwhelming negative test results about the defects in the cans, they chose to ignore them and move forward with manufacturing them as they were, rather than amending the problematic design."

from here: It's interesting reading.

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BTW, I have 3 of their 6-gallon plastic cans that I've had for more than 20 years. They knew there was a problem, with that many injuries and deaths. They could have changed it for pennies per can and chose not to. Yes, people misused their product. But why did the company put themselves in that position once they knew their product was easily mis-used and there was a simple, inexpensive solution? Poor management.

The EPA makes Blitz make non venting gas cans and then Blitz gets blamed for making a compliant can.

I think I know where the blame should be placed.

 

[2manyrocks]

When someone pours gas on a brush pile or a fire pit, they are going to standing in the midst of a lot of flammable vapor. I'm not so sure that a flame arrestor on a gas can is going to save them at that point.

 

[jyoutz]

Not to be argumentative, but they can also put gasoline in old Milk bottles, KoolAid Pitchers, Pails, Jars or anything else that is sealed or semi-sealed. There is virtually no limit to the ways people can mishandle flammable liquids.

So when you go to pour yourself a nice, refreshing glass of Tea and the EPA has put a non-spill device on it that requires an engineering degree to operate, remember this conversation.

And this a very unpolitical view on my part. If it were political, it would be discussed by politicians in open chamber meetings, with debate and amendment processes in play.

But, nope. It's being handed down by an unregulated, non-responsive agency whose members are not elected or even supervised and puke out rules from the darkness of their hiding places that force us all to obey.

If this were done by politicians, they would have to answer to their constituents for it.

This isn't political, it is Totalitarian.

The EPA has to go. It is an abomination.

Congress has the ability to write legislation affecting EPA, even though it’s an executive branch agency, but it must follow statutes passed by congress. So yes, it is responsive to the political process.

 

[MossRoad]

The EPA makes Blitz make non venting gas cans and then Blitz gets blamed for making a compliant can.

I think I know where the blame should be placed.

What are you referring to by quoting me? I'm talking about the flame arrester, not venting.

And when did the EPA require Blitz to make non venting gas cans, seeing as they've been out of business since 2012 or so?

 

[Snobdds]

What are you referring to by quoting me? I'm talking about the flame arrester, not venting.

And when did the EPA require Blitz to make non venting gas cans, seeing as they've been out of business since 2012 or so?

You posted the link and brought up Blitz to make a point on non regulation. Ironically it was regulation that did them in...

It's astonishing to think the root problem of the Blitz issue framed by lawyers; was a flame arrestor not being present and not the root cause of non venting. Everyone knows when you let a can sit in the sun, it pressurizes and that vapor is present until the lid is removed. Somehow they needed a fault and settled upon a flame arrester not being present. Like that would have solved the pressure problem. This was convenient for the EPA as it transferred the risk to Blitz and not their regulations creating a pressure bomb.

We can't underestimate a government agency allowing a dubious scape goat to emerge to provide cover for their bad thinking. This is what happened here. Blitz was the sacrificial cow.

 

[MossRoad]

Again, what the heck are you talking about?

We're talking about flame arrestors, not venting. The EPA had ZERO to do with Blitz going bankrupt. They went bankrupt because they could no longer afford to defend themselves against lawsuits from exploding gas cans when people poured gas from their cans onto flames or other sources of ignition (misuse by the user). It had nothing, ZERO, to do with venting.

 

[MossRoad]

Here's a nice video from a fuel can manufacturer that shows how a gas can without and with a flame mitigation device works. Pretty interesting.

All it appears to be is a plastic screen in the can that they say creates a 'too rich mixture' so the fuel in the can isn't able to ignite. Simple and elegant. Doesn't cost an arm and a leg, and it works, even when people do stupid things.

 

[Snobdds]

Ok lets start of with the basics... what is more flammable: Vapor or liquid?

 

[MossRoad]

Ok lets start of with the basics... what is more flammable: Vapor or liquid?

Who cares? You're trying to distract from the fact that you got the conversation wrong, quoted me, and injected some other topic.

 

[Snobdds]

Nah...your believing the lawyers and not thinking critically.

 

[cqaigy2]

I have spilled so much gas with these wonderful gas can improvements…I would think the big government was wanting to make sure 10 % of fuel ended up on the ground….lol

Interesting. On the newish cans i have, never spilled any gas, on the older cans i have spilled some. Maybe a youtube video is in order to teach us how to use these new fangled gas cans.

 

[2manyrocks]

I believe that venting does have a lot to do with the potential flammability of the gas inside a can. The gentleman in the video said the flame mitigation device works by making the fuel ratio to oxygen level too rich. If you have an older style can that is vented along with a free flowing spout, air is going to be introduced into the can as the fuel is poured. If the fuel can flow quickly, my assumption would be that air can be introduced into the can quickly as well increasing the risk of flammability.

Although the video is impressive for how the new can doesn't act like a flamethrower, how well does it pour fuel in normal use?

 

[cqaigy2]

The EPA makes Blitz make non venting gas cans and then Blitz gets blamed for making a compliant can.

I think I know where the blame should be placed.

Were they being forced to make a compliant can that was going to fail? That's like saying car manufacturer being forced to add braking system to vehicle, and making the cheapest pos braking system for the vehicle, to make more profit.

 

[Snobdds]

This is from one of the law firms going after Blitz in a class action. Somehow this thread thinks only pouring gas on a fire can burn you and the lack of a flame arrestor is the problem. The law firm makes reference to the vapor issue. The vapor issue is the big issue here. As most people store gas in a manor that builds pressure rather than the small percentage that splash gas on a burning fire.

"The pouring of gas on a fire on a fire is not the only way gas cans explode. With rising gas prices many people use gas cans to stock up on gas. Some people may place these gas cans in a truck bed or the back of the car. A simple spark from a truck latch or static electricity can ignite these gas cans causing them to explode."

Exploding Gas Can Manufacturer Closes Its Doors - Strom Law Firm

Exploding gas can lawsuits forced the nation’s largest manufacturer of gas cans to close its doors. Blitz USA, located in Miami, OK, closed its doors after facing multiple lawsuits. Gas Can Company Files for Bankruptcy Blitz filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy November 9, 2011. The company faced 42...

stromlaw.com

 

[MossRoad]

Were they being forced to make a compliant can that was going to fail? That's like saying car manufacturer being forced to add braking system to vehicle, and making the cheapest pos braking system for the vehicle, to make more profit.

The EPA didn't force Blitz to do anything. Blitz went bankrupt in 2012.

 

[Snobdds]

To get back to the original discussion was about regulations bankrupting the company. The factor that did them in was lawsuits, not regulations.

Chicken and the egg

EPA sets gas can regulations
Gas cans need some sort of flame arrestor for people that like to pour gas on a fire.
Turns out not many people pour gas on a fire.
Turns out more people get hurt from the vapors igniting from an indirect source.
Blitz says, but the vapors are the real issue not the flame arrestor.
The lawyers say the EPA only mandated flame arrestors.
Blitz...but but the issue is vapors.
Judge. Pay Blitz. the law says you must have arrestors.

The real issue was never addressed.