JD right to repair

[grsthegreat]

It appears John Deere has backed down to right to repair.

Farm Bureau, Deere & Co sign MOU ensuring farmers' "right to repair" equipment

CHICAGO (Reuters) -The American Farm Bureau Federation and machinery manufacturer Deere & Co signed a memorandum of understanding on Sunday that ensures farmers have the right to repair their own farm equipment or go to an independent technician. But equipment makers such as Deere have...

news.yahoo.com

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

I'll believe it when I see it. I believe this is just PR malarkey.

Wouldn't surprise me if they make tools available, for 1 million dollars

 

[JasperFrank]

..."a memorandum of understanding," is not a legal document or contract.

 

[rScotty]

..."a memorandum of understanding," is not a legal document or contract.

You are right. A MOU - as it is known - has no power to bind the parties. But it is a document requiring signatures and stating that all parties have agreed to work together in good faith to accomplish a specific goal. When signed, an MOU is a legal document in that sense and also in the sense that it is part of a process that is intended to eventually lead to a more binding agreement.

So it isn't the endall, but not chicken feed either.
rScotty

 

[bmaverick]

Farm Bureau, Deere & Co sign MOU ensuring farmers' "right to repair" equipment

By P.J. Huffstutter CHICAGO (Reuters) -The American Farm Bureau Federation and machinery manufacturer Deere & Co signed a memorandum of understanding on Sunday that ensures farmers have the right to repair their own farm equipment

www.oann.com

hmmmm

 

[IXLR8]

The problem is that JD is caught between the farmers (equipment owners) and the EPA. JD has to ensure their equipment meets EPA regulations for a certain period and if somebody messes with things not knowing what they are doing, unfortunetly JD has to answer to the EPA if their equipment no longer meets regulations. As far as I am concerned, the EPA is at the root of this evil, not JD.

 

[rScotty]

The problem is that JD is caught between the farmers (equipment owners) and the EPA. JD has to ensure their equipment meets EPA regulations for a certain period and if somebody messes with things not knowing what they are doing, unfortunetly JD has to answer to the EPA if their equipment no longer meets regulations. As far as I am concerned, the EPA is at the root of this evil, not JD.

One motivated by profit, the other by health.

 

[grsthegreat]

The problem is that JD is caught between the farmers (equipment owners) and the EPA. JD has to ensure their equipment meets EPA regulations for a certain period and if somebody messes with things not knowing what they are doing, unfortunetly JD has to answer to the EPA if their equipment no longer meets regulations. As far as I am concerned, the EPA is at the root of this evil, not JD.

I dont believe that one bit. How come other manufacturers didnt refuse owners from working on their own equipment

 

[ruffdog]

I dont believe that one bit. How come other manufacturers didnt refuse owners from working on their own equipment

Under the agreement, equipment owners and independent technicians will not be allowed to "divulge trade secrets" or "override safety features or emissions controls or to adjust Agricultural Equipment power levels."

US farmers win right to repair John Deere equipment

 

[Cougsfan]

The problem is that JD is caught between the farmers (equipment owners) and the EPA. JD has to ensure their equipment meets EPA regulations for a certain period and if somebody messes with things not knowing what they are doing, unfortunetly JD has to answer to the EPA if their equipment no longer meets regulations. As far as I am concerned, the EPA is at the root of this evil, not JD.

I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument at all. I don't mean to sound like I am defending the EPA, but John Deere's motives are behind their right to repair position has far more to do with trying to monopolize the repair of their machines. Emissions are a small fraction of the things they would like to prevent the owner from touching.

 

[hornett22]

One motivated by profit, the other by health.

More like both motivated by profit.

 

[5030]

Actually, they are all going that route, especially with the T4 and now the T5 units. The more complex they get, the more chance of failure.

 

[Oaktree]

I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument at all. I don't mean to sound like I am defending the EPA, but John Deere's motives are behind their right to repair position has far more to do with trying to monopolize the repair of their machines. Emissions are a small fraction of the things they would like to prevent the owner from touching.

I'm with you. There's no reason a scan tool for diagnostic purposes or to reset a maintenance interval counter needs to have the ability to tweak with emissions settings.
I know tier 4 is a touchy subject here, but it's the law. That shouldn't prevent an owner from being able to do their own repairs. In this regard farm equipment shouldn't be any different than on-road vehicles.

One motivated by profit, the other by health.

While I believe the EPA was founded with good intentions, like most bureaucracies it has way overstepped its bounds.

 

[rScotty]

More like both motivated by profit.

You may be right. I'd like to think that both started out with higher motives - JD to make farming more efficient and the EPA to improve people's health & life.

But if so, they've both changed to concentrate more on the mundane. More on profits and power and less on being a benefit to the society that created them.

Profit is easier to accomplish than being beneficial, so it's not hard to see the attraction.

rScotty

 

[5030]

With T5 it's only going to get worse, not better.

 

[hornett22]

You may be right. I'd like to think that both started out with higher motives - JD to make farming more efficient and the EPA to improve people's health & life.

But if so, they've both changed to concentrate more on the mundane. More on profits and power and less on being a benefit to the society that created them.

Profit is easier to accomplish than being beneficial, so it's not hard to see the attraction.

rScotty

JD is more concerned about our health and life than the EPA ever was.