Gasoline Tractors are they coming Back ?

[MossRoad]

I just can't see gas powered industrial farm equipment anytime in the future for many of the reasons you listed. It's not practical, or economical, when you run the numbers.

That doesn't mean it won't happen. Anything can happen. But right now, I can't see any economical or environmental advantages for large farm equipment. Cars, yes. Large farm, no.

 

[THE ANDROID]

They still exist up to 34 hp. I have one w/540 PTO, FWD & Loader. Sure is handy.

If they used existing OBD2 injection systems.. they would be efficient, clean, and could use inexpensive code readers. Preferably meet emissions from around 2000. Likely that would be cleaner than a diesel w/o adding massive complexity or losing power.

 

[Flad]

How would you guys like paying $2.30 per litre roughly 4L per gallon that's what we pay hear in Australia What you call Gas We call petrol, thats any where between $1.80 to $2.20 per Liter and that's average around town the further out you go the higher the cost of any fuel, I have an old 1952 Petrol Inter Aos 6 That I dusted off and put back in to service for mowing, I am now looking at trying to get a hold of the LPG carby set up that was an option on this model, I bought a Chinese LPG Duel fuel carby for my 5hp Chonda pump out of curiocity I havn't yet got around to fitting it to see if it's any cheaper to run.

 

[Fixastuff]

I ran a older 45hp diesel trencher and rented a newer 44hp gas trencher for a month. The 45hp diesel could do the work at a nice easy 2k rpms, I think 2600 rpms was maxed out. The gas trencher had to be maxed out 3500rpms to get anything done, was louder, vibrates more and burnt way more fuel in a 8hr day.

 

[warrendeere]

Diesels really do need the emissions crap on them because they really are bad for the environment. Old smokey diesels put out big soot particles that make smog and turn everything black, the new diesels with high pressure common rail multi injection are much more efficient but they make tiny soot particles that get far down into your lungs and act like asbestos and can give you cancer later down the road. That is why the new engines have DPF and those over 74HP have DEF systems on them.

After having three emissions diesels in pickups (nightmare emissions problems with the RAM, the Fords were better) the last pickup I bought was a F350 dually with the 7.3 gas engine in it. Tows 20K pounds just as good as the diesels did (just does not accelerate uphill as fast) and is so much easier to live with. Gets the same crappy mileage the diesels did but fuel and maintenance are a lot cheaper. And you can even see the engine and get to everything to work on it if needed down the road. When the powers that be decide to tighten emissions again, I think gas engines will make a comeback.

Once again you are unable to back up your argument with facts. Emissions from diesels are not worse than the emissions from a gas engine, they are just different and more visible. How about how much fuel was burned to mine the materials in these dpf's? Nobody wants to talk about that. How about how much shorter the lifespan of the engine is when it has dpf and a vast amount of emissions standards. Ever think about the fuel burned when these engines have to be recycled? How about how much emissions there is in refining that fuel? All your doing is defering the emissions from your truck to a different place. Again, as I also said, your comparing a nearly brand-new gas engine to an diesel engine that is 20 years old! A new diesel can see mileage in the mid20s. My 6.7 gets 21MPG average. If you don't haul all the time, absolutely, go with the gas. But you put 20k pounds every day behind that 7.3 gas and behind that 6.7 diesel, the diesel will last longer, it will get far better mileage. Even these modern gas v8s just cannot keep up with a modern diesel. A 7.3 gas not pulling at best will get 16mpg-AT BEST!

 

[warrendeere]

Diesels really do need the emissions crap on them because they really are bad for the environment. Old smokey diesels put out big soot particles that make smog and turn everything black, the new diesels with high pressure common rail multi injection are much more efficient but they make tiny soot particles that get far down into your lungs and act like asbestos and can give you cancer later down the road. That is why the new engines have DPF and those over 74HP have DEF systems on them.

After having three emissions diesels in pickups (nightmare emissions problems with the RAM, the Fords were better) the last pickup I bought was a F350 dually with the 7.3 gas engine in it. Tows 20K pounds just as good as the diesels did (just does not accelerate uphill as fast) and is so much easier to live with. Gets the same crappy mileage the diesels did but fuel and maintenance are a lot cheaper. And you can even see the engine and get to everything to work on it if needed down the road. When the powers that be decide to tighten emissions again, I think gas engines will make a comeback.

Look at what cars.com found from their testing-
To test this, I took a 2020 F-250 Lariat 7.3-liter with the 4.30:1 final drive ratio on a nearly 60-mile test loop, empty and while towing a trailer. For the first trip, I kept the truck as light as possible, with only me in the truck. For the second trip, I attached a trailer weighing 12,500 pounds with a 1,300-pound tongue weight. Apart from me, there were some additional tools in the truck weighing another 100 pounds.
Driving the truck empty is a comfortable experience. Starting and stopping are smooth, and the ride is, as expected, a little rough. Over the 58.8-mile course I used 3.954 gallons of gas, which gave me a calculated 14.87 mpg. The computer read 14.9 mpg, which is exactly the same as our calculated number when rounded.

For the towing run, I used 7.004 gallons of gas and had a calculated fuel economy of 8.4 mpg. The computer read 8.2 mpg. The computer was very close in the estimated fuel mileage, which doesn’t happen often.

8.4MPG Is disastorous. From personal experience hauling 22k pounds in a 6.7, 2021, i have gotten about 15.6-16MPG. From everywhere from what i see online, most people are reporting about 14-15MPG towing. To me personally, these large gas engines just don't make any sense if you haul often.

 

[Gator6x4]

John Deere's 5E tractors does not have DEF fluid to manage, no DPF filter to change, and no Regen process needed in the 5E 3-Cylinder. Which shows manufactures are working hard to find a solution.

https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/5-family-utility-tractors/5e-series/#:~:text=You'll%20get%20the%20same,simplicity%20keeps%20you%20working%20uninterrupted.

 

[Gator6x4]

Once again you are unable to back up your argument with facts. Emissions from diesels are not worse than the emissions from a gas engine, they are just different and more visible. How about how much fuel was burned to mine the materials in these dpf's? Nobody wants to talk about that. How about how much shorter the lifespan of the engine is when it has dpf and a vast amount of emissions standards. Ever think about the fuel burned when these engines have to be recycled? How about how much emissions there is in refining that fuel? All your doing is defering the emissions from your truck to a different place. Again, as I also said, your comparing a nearly brand-new gas engine to an diesel engine that is 20 years old! A new diesel can see mileage in the mid20s. My 6.7 gets 21MPG average. If you don't haul all the time, absolutely, go with the gas. But you put 20k pounds every day behind that 7.3 gas and behind that 6.7 diesel, the diesel will last longer, it will get far better mileage. Even these modern gas v8s just cannot keep up with a modern diesel. A 7.3 gas not pulling at best will get 16mpg-AT BEST!

"Emissions from diesels are not worse than the emissions from a gas engine, they are just different and more visible."

Here is what the experts say.

"Black carbon particles, found in diesel engine exhaust, are 3,200 times more damaging to the climate than carbon dioxide in the near-term and promote cardiovascular disease and lung cancer."

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[IHpower]

IMHO I never saw the use for a diesel in farmyard or short term light duty chores. That bias is probably based on the older diesels, some which were a royal pain to start in the winter like a Farmall 460 or 560.
Personally I'd take a Farmall 300 or 350 gas. They're top tier for winter starting. Small enough to work around most farmyards, buildings, etc. Plus they have live PTO power, live hydraulics and power steering. Easy to work on. Maintenance parts plentiful. If you find one with a 2 point hitch then you have the ultimate rig.

I could go on but these little tractors are tough as nails. New is nice or okay. But if you want reliability, torque, weight, rugged construction, low maintenance and low price; then I'll take vintage in an eye blink. Sandblast and do a quality paint job and they'll turn heads more than a new green or blue or orange.

 

[JoeBee]

Had old gasoline tractors, it is a nightmare and all of them had a unlimited thirst for fuel, have a MF135 diesel and a full tank seems last forever, no gas trakctor starts easier than a AD3-152 diesel.

Had a couple great uncles who had a horrible accident/fire refueling a hot gas tractor.