Is the Kubota L2501 the largest 25 hp, non regen tractor?

[billfires]

is there a larger frame 25 hp, non regen tractor than the L2501? Thanks for any info, Bill C

 

[jeff9366]

Is there a larger frame heavier 25 hp, non regen tractor than the L2501?

Branson makes a slightly heavier compact tractor with < 25.479 horsepower.

BRANSON 2515H

Engine Model​	Branson A1700N6 IDI
Aspiration​	Natural
Emissions Standards​	Tier 4
Engine Gross Power​	24 hp (18 kW)
PTO Power​	21 hp (15.7 kW)
No. of Cylinders​	3
Displacement​	104.5 cu.in (1,714 cc)
Rated Revolution​	2100 RPM
Fuel Tank Capacity​	7.1 gal (27 L)
Air Cleaner​	Dry Element
Alternator – 12 Volt amp​	50

BRANSON 2515H DIMENSIONS

Wheelbase​	65.7 in (1,670 mm)
Overall Length (W/ 3PT)​	120.9 in (3,071 mm)
Min.Overall Width​	56.3 in (1,430 mm)
Overall Height (W/ ROPS)​	97.3 in (2,471 mm)
Ground Clearance (4WD)​	14.4 in (366 mm)
Min.Turning Radius (W/ Brake)​	7.51 in (2.29 mm)
Weight (W/O Front Weights)​	2,969 lbs (1,347 kg)

However, it takes a 50% increase in bare tractor weight before an operator can feel a real capability increase. A 10% difference in bare tractor weight is essentially meaningless.

 

[Torvy]

Branson makes a slightly heavier compact tractor with < 25.479 horsepower.

BRANSON 2515H

Engine Model​	Branson A1700N6 IDI
Aspiration​	Natural
Emissions Standards​	Tier 4
Engine Gross Power​	24 hp (18 kW)
PTO Power​	21 hp (15.7 kW)
No. of Cylinders​	3
Displacement​	104.5 cu.in (1,714 cc)
Rated Revolution​	2100 RPM
Fuel Tank Capacity​	7.1 gal (27 L)
Air Cleaner​	Dry Element
Alternator – 12 Volt amp​	50

BRANSON 2515H DIMENSIONS

Wheelbase​	65.7 in (1,670 mm)
Overall Length (W/ 3PT)​	120.9 in (3,071 mm)
Min.Overall Width​	56.3 in (1,430 mm)
Overall Height (W/ ROPS)​	97.3 in (2,471 mm)
Ground Clearance (4WD)​	14.4 in (366 mm)
Min.Turning Radius (W/ Brake)​	7.51 in (2.29 mm)
Weight (W/O Front Weights)​	2,969 lbs (1,347 kg)

However, it takes a 50% increase in bare tractor weight before an operator can feel a real capability increase. A 10% difference in bare tractor weight is essentially meaningless.

The 2515 is 500+ lbs heavier than the L2501. That is about 25% more.

 

[jeff9366]

Kubota L2501 HST, 4-WD = 2,623 pounds.



2,969 (2515H) - 2623 (L2501) = 346 pounds

2,969 (2515H) / 2623 (L2501) = 1.1319%


It takes a 50% increase in bare tractor weight before an operator can feel a real capability increase.

 

[Torvy]

Kubota L2501 HST, 4-WD = 2,623 pounds.



2,969 (2515H) - 2623 (L2501) = 346 pounds

2,969 (2515H) / 2623 (L2501) = 1.1319%

Meaningless in the field.

Sit them side by side. The Branson dwarfs the Kubota. It lifts more. It does more work. You are all about weight until it makes the precious orange tractor look bad, then it is meaningless.

No qualifications needed here. The question was straightforward. Is there a larger frame 25 HP tractor than the l2501. The answer is simply, yes. The Branson 2515 is longer, wider and heavier. It has slightly larger tires, so if you want them loaded, the weight difference also grows.

 

[jeff9366]

Wow!

I consider MYSELF brand neutral.

June 2021​

"The design of the Three Point Hitch tractor has been marketed in the USA since 1939 -- 83 years in 2022.

The basic TPH tractor design is generic.

Kubota and Deere have most of the market through 6,000 pound bare weight tractors. But this Kubota/Deere predominance is regional.

The up and coming compact tractor brands are Korean: Kioti, LS and Branson. There are other Korean brands. You have to critically assess dealer stability while shopping minor brands."

 

[McTowner]

KIOTI CK2610 or KIOTI CK2610hst is another option.
If loader work is important to Bill C., the loader lift capacity of the Branson or Kioti offer "real capability increase" over the L2501

 

[hornett22]

The L2501 is the only 4 cylinder in that class that I know of. Honestly, that's it's only pro in my book. Well maybe that and it's not green.

 

[4570Man]

The L2501 is already pitifully underpowered. If it wasn’t for attempting to skirt regulations these machines wouldn’t exist.

 

[jeff9366]

The L2501 is the only 4 cylinder in that class that I know of. Honestly, that's it's only pro in my book. Well maybe that and it's not green.

I prefer three cylinder diesels, based on my ownership history of both Kubota three cylinder (L3560) and Kubota four cylinder (B3300 SU) diesel engine tractors.

The OP apparently wants to avoid the complexity of DPF technology.
Three cylinder engines are less complex than four cylinder engines.

Kubota L2501 Engine​

2014 - Standard L Series Compact Utility tractor

Series:

L2501

→ L3301

Engine Detail
Kubota
diesel
3-cylinder
liquid-cooled
Displacement:	100.47 ci 1.6 L
Bore/Stroke:	3.4x3.6 inches 86 x 91 mm
Emissions:	Tier IV
Power (gross):	24.8 hp 18.5 kW
Fuel system:	direct injection
Rated RPM:	2200

 

[Jstpssng]

The OP apparently wants to avoid the complexity of DPF technology.

If that's his real criteria than he should stop worrying about HP and start looking at Masseys.

 

[hornett22]

I prefer three cylinder diesels, based on my ownership history of both Kubota three cylinder (L3560) and Kubota four cylinder (B3300 SU) diesel engine tractors.

The OP apparently wants to avoid the complexity of DPF technology.
Three cylinder engines are less complex than four cylinder engines.

Yeah, another cylinder adds a whole new world of complexity.

 

[LD1]

I went from an L3400 to a MX5100. Which is a 46% increase in weight.

Dad still has the L3400. It does NOT take a 50% increase in bare weight to "notice" a capability difference.

Sure, a couple of hundred pounds may go largely unnoticed. But you certainly dont need an additional 50% to "notice" a difference. It all depends on the tractor and frame and tire size and several other variables.

My MX is listed at 3770#. By this logic I'd need a 5655# tractor to "feel" a "real" difference. I'd think I'd feel a difference before having to go all the way up to a M5 kubota

But to answer the OP's question, the all seem to stop just shy of the 3000 pound mark.

So if your looking for a unicorn 4000 pound tractor and still skirt the emissions by staying under 25hp, they dont exist.

 

[4570Man]

I prefer three cylinder diesels, based on my ownership history of both Kubota three cylinder (L3560) and Kubota four cylinder (B3300 SU) diesel engine tractors.

The OP apparently wants to avoid the complexity of DPF technology.
Three cylinder engines are less complex than four cylinder engines.

My skid steer and mini x are Kubota four cylinders and I’ve had several Kubota tractors with 3 cylinders. Idk if the cylinder or something else makes the difference but the 4 cylinders start good without using glow plugs and every 3 cylinder I’ve had required using glow plugs even if it’s 80 outside. That’s the only real difference I’ve noticed.

 

[LD1]

My skid steer and mini x are Kubota four cylinders and I’ve had several Kubota tractors with 3 cylinders. Idk if the cylinder or something else makes the difference but the 4 cylinders start good without using glow plugs and every 3 cylinder I’ve had required using glow plugs even if it’s 80 outside. That’s the only real difference I’ve noticed.

I think the 4-cylinders just seem to run smoother. But from a mechanical or maintenance or complexity standpoint.....3 vs 4 cylinder is a non-issue for me

 

[deezler]

The Kioti CK2610 is a heavier and much more capable machine vs the L2501. Just sayin'

And you can turn the fuel up to get 30+ HP out of them, fairly easily.

 

[TractorTYMe]

Th Branson 2515 is a nice bang for the buck too. You can probably find it in the wild around $20k new with 6 years warranty.

2515H – Branson Tractors

bransontractors.com

 

[Rdrcr]

The Kioti CK2610 is a heavier and much more capable machine vs the L2501. Just sayin'

And you can turn the fuel up to get 30+ HP out of them, fairly easily.

You can easily get 30+ HP from the L2501, with a fuel adjustment or more power with forced induction, if one so wishes.

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[LS Tractor Owner]

The L2501 is the only 4 cylinder in that class that I know of. Honestly, that's it's only pro in my book. Well maybe that and it's not green.

Ahhh,,, the L2501 is a 3 cylinder, not a 4

 

[deezler]

What can you get with fuel adjustments alone? Don't get me wrong, the 2501 is a good tractor. But the loader on the ck2610 lifts over 60% more lbs. Sorta puts it in a different class of capability, IMO.

Slapping a turbo onto an engine and tractor not originally designed for it is.... not for most people. Gotta be pretty committed to continually troubleshooting and tinkering. Shoot, I don't know how people have so much spare time to fiddle with stuff like that. Kudos to you and your slick looking build! Great thread btw.