Bad Dogs Bad Neighbor

[Dftodd]

Ruger Single Six? I bought one new over 50 years ago for my wife that had never fired a pistol. She still injoys plinking with LRs in the cylinder. Some question it's ability to stop an intruder or humanly dispatch varmints but I believe being comfortable firing it coupled with ability to group well more than make up for fewer grains of lead. Not that I think she will ever use it on the neighbors or their dogs.

Wife got tired of me going after varmints with the 20ga.

Got me that one on her dad's recommendation. I keep the 22mag cylinder in it. It's about right for the occasional skunk or possum.

Neighbors son did borrow it to put down his mom's Yorkie. Sad to say, but it's the perfect example of why you always leash a new dog that you rescued while taking it outside unless you have a fenced in spot for it.

She took it outside off leash and the first time it saw another dog it darted off there property and attacked the other dog. The other dog was 10 times its size.

 

[Dftodd]

Yeah, that would make sense for the police department to check ballistics on a firearm before selling it to see if it's been used in a crime. You didn't get it new from a factory, which is what "the person" is arguing.

Person my wife got it from was a gun dealer. I'm assuming he acquired it after it was returned to the original owner or purchased from police after a crime was committed.

Years ago, a roommate had his home broken into and a pistol stolen. A couple years later a perp got into a car chase with police and ended up getting shot and killed during the standoff. Roommates stolen gun was found in the perps car with several others.

Sheriff's office returned the gun to him a year or so later with dried blood still on it I happened to be renting a room from him when the pistol was returned.

He took it to a gun shop, had them clean it up really good. Then promptly sold it.

The person who was found with the gun was not the suspect who actually stole it. Roommate had a Pitbull, so whomever stole it, had to know the dog, or they wouldn't have dared to come into that house.

The prominent suspect was someone who lived across the street for a short time and stole it for drugs.

Roommate was an idiot and would let anyone in his house and would show off his stuff to anybody.

That changed after the break in.

 

[Jstpssng]

Ruger Single Six? I bought one new over 50 years ago for my wife that had never fired a pistol. She still injoys plinking with LRs in the cylinder. Some question it's ability to stop an intruder or humanly dispatch varmints but I believe being comfortable firing it coupled with ability to group well more than make up for fewer grains of lead. Not that I think she will ever use it on the neighbors or their dogs.

It doesn’t matter how big the bullet is if you can’t hit anything. Better to use something you’re familiar with, and be able to hit what you aim at.

For anybody who doubts what a .22 pistol can do, look at Ron Reagan.

 

[bigtiller]

It doesn’t matter how big the bullet is if you can’t hit anything. Better to use something you’re familiar with, and be able to hit what you aim at.

For anybody who doubts what a .22 pistol can do, look at Ron Reagan.

The brother of my friend was mugged with a .22. He raised his hand in defense. The bullet went through his hand, through his upper arm, into his armpit, rattled around on some bones and stopped in his gut.
Exploratory surgery to fix all the holes in his abdomen.
I am sure I don't want my intestines piled up on a tray and then dumped back in. He had gut pains for a long time while everything settled down.

 

[jaxs]

As someone once told me when we laughed at his .25...

"I'll bet you run just as fast if I point this at you and start shooting."

Now there's all kinds of arguments about stopping the threat, etc., but that point about deterrent is pretty valid. I'd guess most people that break into a house or try and carjack someone will retreat pretty fast once they start getting shot at be it a .22 or a .45.

Anyone that break's into my house or carjacks me signed their own death warrant. Whether they actually get shot,bludgeoned or die depend's on what I think their intentions are and whether I gain the advantage. Perps being "shot at" often shoot back,perps that are shot rarely shoot back.
I have no desire to put it to the test,but if I'm ever shot I hope it's with a .25 auto. I'd choose taking 2 slugs from a .25 auto over a single from a .22 mag(especially considering the difference in ammo commonly available for them). That's getting too far into the techinacial aspects for those that believe AR-15 denotes ammo and projectile so I better drop it here.

 

[MossRoad]

It doesn’t matter how big the bullet is if you can’t hit anything. Better to use something you’re familiar with, and be able to hit what you aim at.

For anybody who doubts what a .22 pistol can do, look at Ron Reagan.

And that was a ricochet of of the limo.

 

[MossRoad]

Wife got tired of me going after varmints with the 20ga.

Got me that one on her dad's recommendation. I keep the 22mag cylinder in it. It's about right for the occasional skunk or possum.

Neighbors son did borrow it to put down his mom's Yorkie. Sad to say, but it's the perfect example of why you always leash a new dog that you rescued while taking it outside unless you have a fenced in spot for it.

She took it outside off leash and the first time it saw another dog it darted off there property and attacked the other dog. The other dog was 10 times its size.

We have two High Standard .22 9-shot revolvers. The snubby has a magnum cylinder as well. That short barrel and magnums makes the most harsh CRACK when it fires. Not a boom, but a CRACK! It's painful to hear. Always wear hearing protection when shooting.

 

[dodge man]

They do not ballistic fire fire arms and save the bullet, although some states do require a fired case, this has already been said and is correct.

On tv they always show like they can 100% tell a bullet came from an exact gun. I don’t buy that. How is that gun different than the the one made before it or after it? I do understand they can tell it came from a certain type of gun, say a Glock for example.

 

[Jstpssng]

They do not ballistic fire fire arms and save the bullet, although some states do require a fired case, this has already been said and is correct.

On tv they always show like they can 100% tell a bullet came from an exact gun. I don’t buy that. How is that gun different than the the one made before it or after it? I do understand they can tell it came from a certain type of gun, say a Glock for example.

One handgun which I bought at some point in time had a fired bullet from the factory vs the casing, in case the local LEO wanted it. I don't recall which gun or where I bought it. I believe that if they retrieve an intact bullet and can fire another from the same gun they can tell by the grooves just as they do a fingerprint. Or perhaps I've just read too much Stephen Hunter.

We have two High Standard .22 9-shot revolvers. The snubby has a magnum cylinder as well. That short barrel and magnums makes the most harsh CRACK when it fires. Not a boom, but a CRACK! It's painful to hear. Always wear hearing protection when shooting.

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My first revolver was an H&R with the interchangable cylinders, .22/22WRM. I picked apples on weekends one fall to pay for it. The first day I had it I took it out into a pit and burned several boxes of ammo, then fired a couple of rounds through the single shot 20 gauge I'd picked up at the same time. It wasn't until I got back into the truck and headed down the road that I realized I couldn't hear a thing.

That fall and for several years afterward I stopped buying meat when grouse season started on October 1, and didn't start again until the first of the new year. Those two guns put a lot of meat on the table. If I wasn't lucky enough to get a deer though, I was a bit happy to see Jan 1 roll around. You can only cook a bird so many ways, and after 3 months it got rather boring.

 

[jaxs]

They do not ballistic fire fire arms and save the bullet, although some states do require a fired case, this has already been said and is correct.

On tv they always show like they can 100% tell a bullet came from an exact gun. I don’t buy that. How is that gun different than the the one made before it or after it? I do understand they can tell it came from a certain type of gun, say a Glock for example.

Same as dna and other evidence, it isn't always 100% on Iding gun but is equally reliable in establishing round did not come from a specific gun. The signature come's from lands and grooves of rifling.
80% certainty round was fired by subject firearm PLUS 90% certainty lead matches other rounds found in suspect's procession PLUS 99% certainty powder evidence matches powder in rounds found in suspect's procession plus 100% certainty subject firearm was found in suspect's procession all COMBINED is more than a grand jury will need to indict.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

I have seen / treated many patients shot with a .22, most did't make it if they were too far from the hospital. 22's go in and ricochet all over the place.

The last one that I transported was a lowlife that was stealing a motorcycle. The owners saw him and started pursuing him in a car. The owners firing a .22 at him while high speed down a city street. The guy stopped in a hospital parking lot, dropped the bike, and tried running towards the ER.

We had just cleared the ER and were about 4 blocks from the parking lot, so got there really quick. There was no blood anywhere, but he was "going out". We scooped him up and drove maybe the 1000' to the ER.

He was shot high in the left butt cheek... the entrance hole looked more like a pimple. When the initial X-rays were done, the bullet was up under his right collar bone..... zig-zagged all the way there. He died about 15 minutes later.

A .22 isn't going to stop someone in their tracks, but it will cause some damage, especially in the torso.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

I sold an H&K .45 about 18 years ago.... I still have the receipt from the gun dealer I sold it to. I'll probably keep it until I'm no longer upright!

I still have the receipts for my 2 Bersa .380's from the initial purchase. I have a firm philosophy of covering my butt.

 

[NorTracNY]

Many years ago I worked with a company that supplied the optics for

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They examine the pin marking on the casing to identify the gun. It's basically a lower accuracy version of the micro stamping CA and NY are trying to force.

I will always remember my visit there because in their lobby, they had plaques which displayed the number of matches they had on their tools in different cities around the world. I forget whether is was the number of murder cases they helped or just the number of guns they connected to a casing. I just saw it as a listing of all the cities that you don't want to visit!

 

[Dftodd]

I just saw it as a listing of all the cities that you don't want to visit!

You gonna help us out and let us know which cities to avoid for vacations???

I had a buddy that watched me very closely when we visited restaurants in town with a group of friends. He also waited till I ordered and took his cue from that. If I avoided ordering food and just got a bottle of beer, he would as well.

At the time I worked for an alarm company installing and servicing security systems, fire alarms, and CCTV systems. We handled about 95% of the restaurants and eateries in the area.

He knew if I didn't eat there, then there was a really darn good reason for it.

 

[TimberFarm]

I didn't read all 22 pages, but if dogs attack you on their property you can't do much. If dogs attack you on public property or your own property, goodbye dogs.

Millville police kill dogs attacking duo fishing along city trail

MILLVILLE — Police officers were forced to fatally shoot a pair of dogs that attacked a father and son during their fishing trip at the Maurice River Walking Trail on

pressofatlanticcity.com

 

[jaxs]

I think I read all this thread and don't recall anyone telling us the SS&S gold standard for dealing with unwelcome dogs on your property. Shoot-shovel & shut up.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I have seen / treated many patients shot with a .22, most did't make it if they were too far from the hospital. 22's go in and ricochet all over the place.

The last one that I transported was a lowlife that was stealing a motorcycle. The owners saw him and started pursuing him in a car. The owners firing a .22 at him while high speed down a city street. The guy stopped in a hospital parking lot, dropped the bike, and tried running towards the ER.

We had just cleared the ER and were about 4 blocks from the parking lot, so got there really quick. There was no blood anywhere, but he was "going out". We scooped him up and drove maybe the 1000' to the ER.

He was shot high in the left butt cheek... the entrance hole looked more like a pimple. When the initial X-rays were done, the bullet was up under his right collar bone..... zig-zagged all the way there. He died about 15 minutes later.

A .22 isn't going to stop someone in their tracks, but it will cause some damage, especially in the torso.

Was watching a TV show with similar results. Seems this bully was slapping this small guy around, a guy who happened to be a world class pistol shot. He retrieved his pistol and shot the bully in the shoulder, to stop...not kill...him, but the ricochet went down into his lung and heart area, killing him.

I don't know if it's true today, but I once read that more civilians die from .22 caliber weapons than any other.

 

[cqaigy2]

Was watching a TV show with similar results. Seems this bully was slapping this small guy around, a guy who happened to be a world class pistol shot. He retrieved his pistol and shot the bully in the shoulder, to stop...not kill...him, but the ricochet went down into his lung and heart area, killing him.

I don't know if it's true today, but I once read that more civilians die from .22 caliber weapons than any other.

Yes probably a poor decision, being as he left to retrieve his pistol, so not being slapped around anymore. Should have driven off.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Yes probably a poor decision, being as he left to retrieve his pistol, so not being slapped around anymore. Should have driven off.

Yeah, I agree. It's probably always best if you can avoid confrontations, especially physical ones.

 

[jaxs]

I'm not an authority on human gunshot wounds but have dealt a fair number to animals and never noticed the ricochet effect. As horrific as it sounds, ricocheting off a bone would be much preferred to smashing the bone, mushrooming so that projectile is more damaging to soft tissue. Anyone that has fired many 22 rimfires is familiar with the distinct sound made by projectiles after ricocheting.
A 22 cal fired from centerfire 22-250 often explode on impact instead of ricocheting and even when it ricochets, the muzzle blast and sound from impact drown's the sound of projectile traveling. Manys a savvy gun owners have relied on their little 22 rimfire to frighten the bejeebers out of would be trespassers and burglars when they had far heavier artillery in the closet. The larger number of 22 rimfire wounds when compared to others is because more are fired at people than others and lack of respect results in more accidental shootings. Eventhough first responders and emergency rooms see more 22 rimfire wounds,I think they will say most other gunshots are far more serious.
More than many are interested in hearing and less romantic than lore but there you are.