LS or Kubota

[Williy]

SR I can put the throttle at 2200 rpm but
my tractor speed is slow unless I step on the
throttle I run my pto and have the tractor speed
at 2 or 3 mph using the cruise. Perhaps I don't
understand what you are saying???

willy

 

[rScotty]

SR I can put the throttle at 2200 rpm but
my tractor speed is slow unless I step on the
throttle I run my pto and have the tractor speed
at 2 or 3 mph using the cruise. Perhaps I don't
understand what you are saying???

willy

For the RPM and the mph to stay constant, something has to change when the load changes. That "something" that changes when the load gets heavier is that more fuel is injected which increases the engine torque.

If you listen carefully, you may be able to hear that change in the exhaust note as the governor increases the torque so it can keep the RPM and mph constant.
rScotty

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Oh, and that LS dealer is 550 miles away.... never had to take either tractor back to them for any work, over 560 hours combined, and they are / were worked HARD!
Biased.... Yes. Over the dealers and the outrageous prices.

Ok you are the first member on here that I am aware of that has actually purchased a Korean tractor brand outside of a reasonable driving distance and that gives your opinion more credibility. It's easy to say you will purchase a Korean brand when they're right next door or a few miles down the road but would you actually purchase one when the closest dealer is hundreds of miles away?

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Slander (verb): To make false and damaging statements.

You said:



You also intimated that the LS (because that is the brand the OP is discussing), like other brands, had cable routing outside the loader.

You later admitted you were looking at the MT573, not the MT3 series the OP is considering. I've attached pictures of the remote and 3 pt control locations for the MT573. Note, they are right beside the loader control, right where your arm rests. Not in a location where you have to "reach down and [can't] see what you are grabbing". The second picture shows the hose routing, inside the loader arms.

So, both of your statements about LS were factually incorrect. Combine that with your statements calling into question the quality and refinement of LS and other non Kubota tractors, and there is a clear intent to diminish/damage the reputation of LS and others. Taken as a whole, that's called slander.View attachment 747627View attachment 747628

RSR, after this post I have made a mental note to myself to never get into a squabble with you about LS

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

You are correct that the LS lift height is comparatively low. I know that is a deal-breaker for some, as it can limit tasks like dumping into a trailer bed, etc.

However, at the same lift height, the lift capacities are not ANYWHERE close. Back when I was shopping, I got the lift curves for the Kubota L805 loader, which is the "upgraded" option for the L3560 (what the OP is considering). You can then compare the lift capacity at the pins at the max lift height (where lift capacity is computed) for competing tractor brands. The plot is attached. The curve is the lift curve for the Kubota. The symbols are the specified data points for competing brands. That is, the symbols correspond to the maximum lift capacity at the specified maximum height.

You will note: The LS XR series (now the MT3 series) lifts 55% (!!!!) more than the Kubota does at the same height. So no, the lift capacity between the two is not "about equal".

Yes, you do have to properly ballast the rear, but that is not hard to do. I have fluid-filled rears, and a box blade on the back. With that ballast alone, I have hit the limit of my loader (couldn't lift a rock) without the rears coming off the ground.

RSR, this was extremely good posting here. I feel it needs to be pointed out to everyone that if you're going to argue this is how it's done. Bring data to the conversation to back up what you're saying. Don't use anecdotal evidence if you can help it please.

You have actually educated me about loaders with this post. Thanks for taking the time to share this.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

From the company that also gives us a nifty double thick & insulated canopy...

I'm not familiar with this, please elaborate.

 

[rScotty]

RSR, this was extremely good posting here. I feel it needs to be pointed out to everyone that if you're going to argue this is how it's done. Bring data to the conversation to back up what you're saying. Don't use anecdotal evidence if you can help it please.

You have actually educated me about loaders with this post. Thanks for taking the time to share this.

I liked RSR's argument too. But still, what we don't know is what criteria the various companies are using to decide when the capacity of the loader is reached.

One might have been using cylinder hydraulic pressure, another using shear strength of the pivots, another using bending strength of the loader arms. Changing limits using mechanical specs is easy.

At one time tractors rated their FEL capacity the same way that commercial equipment is rated today - where loader capacity is based on the normal operating weight and stability of the entire platform. That's the best way.
rScotty

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

I liked RSR's argument too. But still, what we don't know is what criteria the various companies are using to decide when the capacity of the loader is reached.

One might have been using cylinder hydraulic pressure, another using shear strength of the pivots, another using bending strength of the loader arms. Changing limits using mechanical specs is easy.

At one time tractors rated their FEL capacity the same way that commercial equipment is rated today - where loader capacity is based on the normal operating weight and stability of the entire platform. That's the best way.
rScotty

I always thought it was based on cylinder hydraulic pressure. However, you raise some good questions I bet M Harry would know this. Harry if you're reading this thread please weigh in on this for us.

 

[rScotty]

I'm not familiar with this, please elaborate.

rScotty said:
From the company that also gives us a nifty double thick & insulated canopy...

I was just pointing out how good they can be when they try....and yet most tractors still don't have decent toolbox.

For an example of a nice canopy see Kubota's TLB line rather than their Ag tractors. Their TLBs have a 4 post canopy with steel frame and a double thick blow-molded canopy with insulation. So they can do it right when they want to.

TLBs and Ag tractors are very similar except the TLB is heavier built for digging and carrying. One big difference is where an Ag tractor has a 3pt as standard equipment with a backhoe optional, the TLB has a backhoe as standard and the 3pt hitch is optional.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Their TLBs have a 4 post canopy with steel frame and a double thick blow-molded canopy with insulation. So they can do it right when they want to.

Oh yeah you had talked about this before. "double thick blow-molded canopy with insulation" Dang, how the heck do you know this Scotty?