If there are aliens, what will they look like?

   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #381  
While the aliens are resting....

It might be known, ..that in spite of Bernoulli's great works , and the fact that the pressure above the wing of an areoplane is less than the pressure on the under surface of the wing due to path length and velocity etc.

The reality is that the MV^2 resolution of forces of a flying aircraft implys that the air mass pressed DOWN by the wing is EXACTLY equal to the mass of the areorplane. If more. the areoplane goes UP, if less, the areoplane goes DOWN.

This does NOT APPLY to helio copters, they beat the air into submission, and that is that!
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #382  
The earth moon system as it relates to tidal induced velocities is that the earth is SLOWING it's rotation speed, and the MOON is gaining speed. That velocity increase to the moon, expands it's orbital radius. (pushes the moon out and away from the earth and increasing it's orbit path distance).
Speaking of gravity, moons, tides and such, I read something a while back that dispelled what I had believed for years. I always thought tides were created by the moon's gravity pulling on the ocean's water. But what really causes the tides is the moon's gravitational attraction actual deforms the earth's solid mass slightly as it rotates around earth, causing our ocean's waters to slosh around to fill the voids.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #383  
Something just happened here. Brownie and I were outside and the wildest screams I've ever heard. Brownie, fortunately, was up on the porch. Something just bit a coyote in the hind end. Cold sweats and the blood runs cold - !!!!! And it was right out there in my yard. After dark trips will be on the screened in porch from now on.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #384  
Something just happened here. Brownie and I were outside and the wildest screams I've ever heard. Brownie, fortunately, was up on the porch. Something just bit a coyote in the hind end. Cold sweats and the blood runs cold - !!!!! And it was right out there in my yard. After dark trips will be on the screened in porch from now on.
It is mating season after all.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #385  
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #386  
lol! The feral cats around here are obnoxiously loud in the middle of the night. 🐈
The most hideous sound I've ever heard was a cat getting chased by a fox. Luckily for him, I just happened to be out deer hunting with my 12 gauge when they went past.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #387  
6) If the earth is a sphere we should not be able to see buildings, boats at a certain distance as they would be behind the curve. (see Lake Michigan to Chicago skyline).

really ... Weird since long survey take per account the curvature of the earth you should know this you are a engineer ...

Curvature:

Earth has a curved face which is assumed to be a level surface but the line of sight as furnished by the levelling instrument is horizontal and not the level line. Therefore, all points on the line of sight are not equidistant from the surface of the earth and consequently the points read on the staff are not strictly at the same level as horizontal hair of the diagram.

ADVERTISEMENTS:
The level line falls away from the horizontal line of sight and the vertical distance between the horizontal line and the level line denotes the effect of curvature of the earth.

In Fig., 7.24. A’ is the instrument station and P the point where the staff is held. On looking through the telescope, we sight along AB, the horizontal line of sight, and take the staff reading PB. The point B is consider to be at the same level as A, but actually the points C and A are at the same level. The true reading is, therefore, PC.

The difference BC between the observed and true staff readings denotes the error due to curvature of the earth, which may be determined as follows:

Curvature

Curvature

In fig 7.25,

D= the length of the sight or the distance from the instruments to the staff station in kilometers

BC= he error due to curvature.

O= the center of the earth.

ADVERTISEMENTS:
R= the radius of the earth.

By Geometry, BC x BE =BA2

Or BC (BC= CE) = BC2

Or BC2 +BC x CE=BA2

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Since BC is usually very small as compared with the diameter of the earth and its square will still be much smaller and may therefore be neglected in calculation:



taxing diameter of the earth as 12,742 kilometers ,we get:



Hence the error in staff reading due to curvature of the earth = 0.0785 D2 metres, where D is the distance from the level to the staff in kilometres. The effect of curvature is to increase the staff reading i.e., this error is positive and so the correction is negative.

ADVERTISEMENTS:
True staff reading = observed staff reading – 0.0785 D2

Refraction:

It is a well-established law of physics that rays of light passing through layers of different densities do not remain straight but are refracted or bent down towards the denser medium. Consequently, the ray of light from the staff to the instrument is not straight as AB in fig. 7.26 but it follows a curved path AD concave towards the earth as the near the surface of the earth is denser than the upper layers of air.

Refraction

Under normal atmospheric conditions, arc AD may be taken as circular and of radius seven times that of the earth. The effect of refraction is therefore 1/7th7 the of that of the curvature, but is of opposite nature. Hence the correction for refraction is additive to the staff reading.

The error due to refraction:



Combined Correction due to Curvature and Refraction:


Since the effect of curvature is to increase the staff readings and that of refraction is to decrease them and also the effect of curvature is greater than that of refraction, the combined effect is therefore, to increase the staff readings, hence the combined correction is subtractive.

The combined error due to curvature and refraction:



And true staff reading = observed staff reading -0.0673 D2

For ordinary lengths of sights, the error is very small and hence negligible. It may be well understood that for 200 m length, it is only 0.003 m and it is just perceptible on ordinary levelling staff. Therefore sights less than 200 m in length, the effect may be neglected.

The combined correction can be application two ways:

(i) By decreasing each staff reading by the amount 0.0673 D2 and then finding, the reduced levels and

(ii) By first finding the reduced levels of the points in the usual way and then increasing them by the amount 0.0673 D2.

The error due to curvature and refraction can be eliminated by equalising back sight and fore sight distances and also by the method of reciprocal levelling which is explained in the article.
 
   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #388  
really ... Weird since long survey take per account the curvature of the earth you should know this you are a engineer ...

Curvature:

Earth has a curved face which is assumed to be a level surface but the line of sight as furnished by the levelling instrument is horizontal and not the level line. Therefore, all points on the line of sight are not equidistant from the surface of the earth and consequently the points read on the staff are not strictly at the same level as horizontal hair of the diagram.

ADVERTISEMENTS:
The level line falls away from the horizontal line of sight and the vertical distance between the horizontal line and the level line denotes the effect of curvature of the earth.

In Fig., 7.24. A’ is the instrument station and P the point where the staff is held. On looking through the telescope, we sight along AB, the horizontal line of sight, and take the staff reading PB. The point B is consider to be at the same level as A, but actually the points C and A are at the same level. The true reading is, therefore, PC.

The error due to curvature and refraction can be eliminated by equalising back sight and fore sight distances and also by the method of reciprocal levelling which is explained in the article.
I understand there is Plane and Geodetic surveys but Land surveyors survey smaller areas of much larger areas so that the "curvature" of the earth is negligible. Even professional land surveyors (my brother is one) will admit that a definite limit cannot be set for the area up to which surveying maybe treated as a plane.

Instead of cut and pasting an answer that you may or may not understand a simple math equation proves that there is no curvature of the earth based on what your eyes see. Basically at a certain horizontal distance there is a vertical distance from your line of sight to a point "behind the curve". So you should not be able to see the Chicago skyline from Lake Michigan (~60 miles) because there would be a 2400 ft drop behind the curve. The height of the observer would be nullified by laying on the ground and looking in the distance.

Next time you are flying at 30,000 ft you will see an obvious horizon (not curvizon).
 

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   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #389  
Tell me oh toothless one...why is it that if you are about 6' tall and you are standing on the shore (at sea level) of an ocean etc...you can only see about 7 miles...any vessel etc moving away will disappear once it moves below curve of the Earth...
That is absolutely and categorically false.
Plenty of videos of people standing at the shoreline with a Nikon P900 camera that see ships well beyond 7 miles. Basically the reason you can't see an object with your eyes beyond a certain point is due to perspective.

And if you Believe there a boat goes behind the curve where is the curve going from your left to your right (horizon)?
 

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   / If there are aliens, what will they look like? #390  
I understand there is Plane and Geodetic surveys but Land surveyors survey smaller areas of much larger areas so that the "curvature" of the earth is negligible. Even professional land surveyors (my brother is one) will admit that a definite limit cannot be set for the area up to which surveying maybe treated as a plane.

Instead of cut and pasting an answer that you may or may not understand a simple math equation proves that there is no curvature of the earth based on what your eyes see. Basically at a certain horizontal distance there is a vertical distance from your line of sight to a point "behind the curve". So you should not be able to see the Chicago skyline from Lake Michigan (~60 miles) because there would be a 2400 ft drop behind the curve. The height of the observer would be nullified by laying on the ground and looking in the distance.

Next time you are flying at 30,000 ft you will see an obvious horizon (not curvizon).
yes i agree small survey do not need to account for the curvature of the earth but longer survey. also the earth is actually a ellipsoid shape and not a perfect sphere it’s curvature varies depending of your location …. what is the sea elevation of the chicago skyline vs the bank of lake Michigan … also looks to me your your statement about contradict itself
 

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