If there are aliens, what will they look like?

[Outinstickssnafu]

"I get that your angry as I went through the same when I went down this rabbit hole. It's OK."

lol angry. If I was going to be angry about anything in regard to yourself, it was writing a reply missing the direction you were headed ... if only I'd arrived on the thread a few minutes later and noted your follow up reply ... but I write considerably more - a lot of stuff is discarded because I think probably isn't the right tone for a suitable reply.

The only rabbit hole I'm in is the consequences of replying to someone who's fishing for more attention they'd ordinarily get.

It's actually all rather sad to me, reading your education experience, if you sat classes and didn't come to understand, yeah I saw a lot of that in people who went into various science type field as well, memory gets them through the exams, but very little real understanding of it. It's a pity, once there's enough of them, those running science using good solid scientific principals, approach and not tiding observations into any bias, and getting way different take - are labelled controversial or trouble makers.

Grasping the nuances you apparently are struggling with - gravity for example, only required doing a bit of reading of the basics, and noting general observations, like those from a century or so ago, that if one really wanted to, could check themselves. These days I think a precise plumb bob is easily had or at least of all, borrowed. Same sort of thing for the flat earthers, there's simple observations made so very easy with modern mobile phones and ability to communicate instantly with people hundreds of miles away ... but people like me know they are more likely to have a superiority complex and it's unkind for me to taunt them by calling them chicken 'it for not enacting something that actually was a bit of a challenge a couple thousand years ago.

 

[tradosaurus]

"I get that your angry as I went through the same when I went down this rabbit hole. It's OK."

lol angry. If I was going to be angry about anything in regard to yourself, it was writing a reply missing the direction you were headed ... if only I'd arrived on the thread a few minutes later and noted your follow up reply ... but I write considerably more - a lot of stuff is discarded because I think probably isn't the right tone for a suitable reply.

The only rabbit hole I'm in is the consequences of replying to someone who's fishing for more attention they'd ordinarily get.

It's actually all rather sad to me, reading your education experience, if you sat classes and didn't come to understand, yeah I saw a lot of that in people who went into various science type field as well, memory gets them through the exams, but very little real understanding of it. It's a pity, once there's enough of them, those running science using good solid scientific principals, approach and not tiding observations into any bias, and getting way different take - are labelled controversial or trouble makers.

Grasping the nuances you apparently are struggling with - gravity for example, only required doing a bit of reading of the basics, and noting general observations, like those from a century or so ago, that if one really wanted to, could check themselves. These days I think a precise plumb bob is easily had or at least of all, borrowed. Same sort of thing for the flat earthers, there's simple observations made so very easy with modern mobile phones and ability to communicate instantly with people hundreds of miles away ... but people like me know they are more likely to have a superiority complex and it's unkind for me to taunt them by calling them chicken 'it for not enacting something that actually was a bit of a challenge a couple thousand years ago.

Sounds like the only person with a superiority complex is yourself. You can speak down to me all you want. I've encountered worse.
If you can't question "science" then it is nothing more than a cult. If you want to PM me to discuss this further and rebuff my assertions I am open. Just remember I was where you were about 8 yrs ago so I understand the common misconceptions we were indoctrinated with, such as "gravity".

 

[Outinstickssnafu]

You need to look up what a superiority complex is, not every flat earther is that way.

Given the little that you know, of course I'm speaking down to you, how can I not, but there's also a degree of sadness and pity for you. You are seemingly totally unaware that you come across little different to me than to the number of poor sods I've bumped into while stretching my legs at night, while they've been in a drug induced stupor, half lost trying to find their way back to their mate / supplier and all the while wanting to tell me about their latest revelations. On top of that, there's your evasive strategies / tactics that have obviously been fine tuned over the years on the job, if engineering has been your field of work - then again I've met a foreman responsible for implementing design that couldn't even read a simple plan / map, what a cucumber.

I'm not stopping you from investigating gravity, look it up on the net for extra clues, mind any article will probably use a different word to plumb bob, I'm just generalising.

Like I said a few replies back, if you want to talk cats, I could probably find you a lovely tarot card reader ...

Questioning btw is fine, but silliness is defined by expecting a different result for the same action that an almost endless number of times before gave the same answer.

 

[tradosaurus]

You need to look up what a superiority complex is, not every flat earther is that way.

Given the little that you know, of course I'm speaking down to you, how can I not, but there's also a degree of sadness and pity for you. You are seemingly totally unaware that you come across little different to me than to the number of poor sods I've bumped into while stretching my legs at night, while they've been in a drug induced stupor, half lost trying to find their way back to their mate / supplier and all the while wanting to tell me about their latest revelations. On top of that, there's your evasive strategies / tactics that have obviously been fine tuned over the years on the job, if engineering has been your field of work - then again I've met a foreman responsible for implementing design that couldn't even read a simple plan / map, what a cucumber.

I'm not stopping you from investigating gravity, look it up on the net for extra clues, mind any article will probably use a different word to plumb bob, I'm just generalising.

Like I said a few replies back, if you want to talk cats, I could probably find you a lovely tarot card reader ...

Questioning btw is fine, but silliness is defined by expecting a different result for the same action that an almost endless number of times before gave the same answer.

Wow you are angry.

Science that can't be questioned is a cult. You wouldn't be a scientologist?

I would welcome you to answer a simple physics question: how can a pressures system (atmosphere) exist next to a vaccum (space) without a barrier?

 

[Outinstickssnafu]

Nah you might think so, but it's just the way I write if anything.

You've done a good job not actually answering any thing asked apart from going around in circles. The atmosphere query was already answered, it's called gravity. I see little point for me to waste any number of minutes on a long reply that you'll look at and then proceed into the next side step. Do you realise the earth loses some of the lighter gases? Have you wondered why Mars doesn't have much of one, and yet Venus has quite a thick atmosphere despite being so hot?

Well it's very late here, so I'm off to bed. Enjoy your day and maybe do some reading.

 

[tradosaurus]

Nah you might think so, but it's just the way I write if anything.

You've done a good job not actually answering any thing asked apart from going around in circles. The atmosphere query was already answered, it's called gravity. I see little point for me to waste any number of minutes on a long reply that you'll look at and then proceed into the next side step. Do you realise the earth loses some of the lighter gases? Have you wondered why Mars doesn't have much of one, and yet Venus has quite a thick atmosphere despite being so hot?

Well it's very late here, so I'm off to bed. Enjoy your day and maybe do some reading.

So if gravity is the answer could you replicate a rotating sphere with water adhering to its surface (without falling off) in a chamber that has pressure and vacuum simultaneously, since gravity acts on all objects?

 

[ruffdog]

The atmosphere query was already answered, it's called gravity. Have you wondered why Mars doesn't have much of one, and .......

Ummm....actually, like I said before, it is the magnetic field that protects the atmosphere. Mars doesn't have a mag field so they lost the atmosphere.

https://eos.org/research-spotlights/how-marss-magnetic-field-let-its-atmosphere-slip-away

 

[tradosaurus]

Ummm....actually, like I said before, it is the magnetic field that protects the atmosphere. Mars doesn't have a mag field so they lost the atmosphere.

https://eos.org/research-spotlights/how-marss-magnetic-field-let-its-atmosphere-slip-away

That would make more sense than a mysterious force called gravity (that evidently has a mind of its own to read the interaction between pressures and vacuum) that can be explained by relative density.
Wikepedia: Earth's magnetic field, also known as the geomagnetic field, is the magnetic field that extends from earth's interior out into space.
The problem I have with this explanation is that the deepest hole ever drilled was less than 10 miles. The earth is supposedly 7,915 mile in diameter so how does one know what the earth is composed of?
Another interesting question I've had is concerning the supposed Gravitational constant which is the magnitude of the gravitational attractive force between two bodies to their masses and the distance between them. Since the moon is supposedly much smaller than the earth how does the moon create tidal forces (waves) on the earth? And why wouldn't the earth suck the moon right into itself? Why does the earth supposedly rotate and moon doesn't? A lot of answers that require a large leap of FAITH.

 

[JasperFrank]

One of the assumptions we make about ETs, might also be a logical misdirection. In the sense that intelligent life HAS to be yoked to a planet. A sufficiently advanced race might have abandoned the idea of needing any sort of planet. They could be entirely space based and self sufficient. And the only encounters we would have would be with their mechanical resource extraction systems. We don't meet the aliens, we just encounter their robotic proxies, that may or may not care if there is "intelligent" life on the mining zone. And a wilder theory is that the aliens might not have had a deadman switch, if for some reason they all died on their mothership, the system would keep going. It had no reason to stop.

 

[Thall303]

One of the assumptions we make about ETs, might also be a logical misdirection. In the sense that intelligent life HAS to be yoked to a planet. A sufficiently advanced race might have abandoned the idea of needing any sort of planet. They could be entirely space based and self sufficient. And the only encounters we would have would be with their mechanical resource extraction systems. We don't meet the aliens, we just encounter their robotic proxies, that may or may not care if there is "intelligent" life on the mining zone. And a wilder theory is that the aliens might not have had a deadman switch, if for some reason they all died on their mothership, the system would keep going. It had no reason to stop.

Interesting and well thought out!

 

[Thall303]

I sometimes wonder why aliens seem to always gravitate to local WalMarts?

 

[JasperFrank]

There are very few youtube vids that make me think WTF. This still has me a bit wondering. It comes out of left field, but the logic is sound. At least I can't figure a counter argument. It applies to aliens in a tangential way. It also speaks that what we know, isn't so certain.

 

[MossRoad]

Geezers dude! The moon DOES rotate! About once every 27 days.

 

[tradosaurus]

Geezers dude! The moon DOES rotate! About once every 27 days.

Sometimes I can't keep the made up science straight. Abra Cadabra! Gravity!

Got an answer to the Gravitational constant that I asked earlier?

 

[MossRoad]

Sometimes I wonder if someone is trolling for laughs or actually believes what they say.

Rarely do I hope they are trolling, but there are occasions.

 

[the old grind]

Nah, a troll would try to take over a thread and make it about him, her, or whatever gender aliens are.

 

[JasperFrank]

Gravity is something that we have not yet figured out. We know how it works, but we don't know why it works. We can calculate to near perfect precision how to use it. This is science. Its useful. The why, still eludes us as to what gravity is. It may take 20 years to figure it out, or it may take 1,000 years to figure it out. The thing is, science mostly doesn't stop trying to figure out things. Other belief systems just say... its this thing. Period.. And one may adopt those rules and live a perfectly happy life. Yet being a scientist, one is always questioning, always in a sense of wonderment of what we don't know. I've chosen that life over superstition. It is at times painful, as there are few social structures to support scientists, still, after a thousand of years of theism, those communities are still there and don't wish to change even though the technology available has changed - radically.

This is one reason why we have wars.

If we ever did have aliens arrive on Earth as something recognizable, it would politically/religiously tear this planet apart. And being smarter than us, they would just let it happen or maybe even instigate a few things to their advantage.

It might be a usual thing to them. Been there, done that, and no more of a second thought than us setting ant traps.

 

[RoyJackson]

Sometimes I wonder if someone is trolling for laughs or actually believes what they say.

Rarely do I hope they are trolling, but there are occasions.

Sure seems like like it a lot, doesn't it?

 

[tradosaurus]

Sure seems like like it a lot, doesn't it?

Sometimes I wonder if someone is trolling for laughs or actually believes what they say.

Rarely do I hope they are trolling, but there are occasions.

I get those responses fairly frequently. When people refuse to engage in civil discourse because they have their beliefs challenged.
Remember, I was where you were at until I engaged honestly our conception of the universe.

 

[/pine]

I get those responses fairly frequently. When people refuse to engage in civil discourse because they have their beliefs challenged.
Remember, I was where you were at until I engaged honestly our conception of the universe.

....UH...better take a closer look and realize exactly whom it is that is having their "beliefs" challenged...LoL...
LoL...

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Also...anyone that has to use the word "belief" to make their points has marginal if any credibility...