Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

Smokin' pot does lead to memory loss...

I'll just take your word for that since I've never used drugs or alcohol.

 

[Hay Dude]

Hey! That looks like a link/page I recently posted (somewhere)! But anyway, people need to understand all of this. I'm not discouraging or encouraging anything other than people become aware of all issues that we need to face up to. And this is my biggest problem I have with so much of these "the future of" things, as they typically are founded on the promotion of a product much like any other marketing activity is undertaken, with just the notion of the product in some fairly myopic view of its use, a view that fails to place the product in full societal context. The argument that we'll save the planet from fossil-fuel pollution is all well and good, but it's still myopic. There's really no context, there's no discussion of how MANY EVs we say are going to be enough, how many would be TOO much? Is there even any idea of "TOO much?" It's still a push-to-consumer approach, the model is to sell, in which case sales is the REAL GOAL-again, is where is the limit? We can do just as much damage with too many EVs as we can/do with too many ICE vehicles.

"Renewable" isn't a suitable answer if we cannot state what sorts of overall load we're going for (HOW MANY EVs?). Nor is "more environmentally friendly," as, again, at some point anything can become too much: you can kill yourself drinking too much water! The production of ANY vehicle, no matter its destined propulsion mechanism, takes a lot of resources. Elon Musk was fine calling for coups against South American countries in order to get resources for his products. Sorry, but in no way can that be spun in any positive way. We don't know where we are going. We won't know when we get there...

There's an application for EVs. Pushing them on all of humanity, for humanity's sake, might not be the noble thing we think it is.

Agree
When emotion overtakes the issue of environment, EVs, and other current hot issues, people don’t think things through thoroughly.
Forcing EVs through social pressure, mandates, forced shortages and termination of ability to purchase ICEVs (Calif 2035) is NOT the way to go.
By turning our backs on ICEVs so quickly, I‘m pretty sure we will throw the baby out with the bath water.
IMO, I’m ok with phasing out ICEV cars in urban areas first and maybe see how that goes, but to make a trucking company or logging company, farmer, etc. drive experimental electric vehicles is letting emotions rule the day instead of steady, predictable thinking.

 

[PuffyC]

Maybe, but we could demand that people do something for society, a lot of things should be done and no resources are available.

That’s called slave labor. Just because you’re provided with food and shelter doesn’t change that

I‘d contend that we have plenty of resources, we just choose to spend it on other things. For example, we could spend a third of our entire US budget on waging war, like we do now, or we could spend that on healthcare and education for American citizens. We all have budgets and choices must be made. The US has made its choice.

BTW, I’m not pro or con UBI, I’m just stating what I’ve read about it.

 

[Agvg]

That’s called slave labor. Just because you’re provided with food and shelter doesn’t change that

I‘d contend that we have plenty of resources, we just choose to spend it on other things. For example, we could spend a third of our entire US budget on waging war, like we do now, or we could spend that on healthcare and education for American citizens. We all have budgets and choices must be made. The US has made its choice.

BTW, I’m not pro or con UBI, I’m just stating what I’ve read about it.

I did think but did not write it in my reply, you would get a little more payed to do something for society,

 

[Gale Hawkins]

EDF shares plunge after faults found at French nuclear power reactor

Shares in EDF plunged on Thursday after the French power giant found faults at a nuclear power station and shut down another plant using the same kind of reactors, leading it to cut its core profit goal for this year.

www.reuters.com

Nuclear power on shaky ground.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Rivian to open $5 billion manufacturing plant in Georgia | CNN Business

Rivian, the electric vehicle maker, plans to begin construction on a second manufacturing plant in 2022 even as it is falling short of its production goals at its existing plant.

www.cnn.com

Getting a larger factory fully ramped could change the ability for them to supply a good number of EVs.

 

[Buggs67]

Browns Mills

I've been in the area but not much. Spent most of my time far up north. Closest thing to hillbillies up there is the Jackson Whites.

And I've been thru the Pine Barrens but, again, not much. I prefer mountains (or as close as Jersey gets).

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Mother gives birth to 'Tesla baby' while vehicle drives on autopilot

Slow news day?

 

[Steppenwolfe]

That’s called slave labor. Just because you’re provided with food and shelter doesn’t change that

I‘d contend that we have plenty of resources, we just choose to spend it on other things. For example, we could spend a third of our entire US budget on waging war, like we do now, or we could spend that on healthcare and education for American citizens. We all have budgets and choices must be made. The US has made its choice.

BTW, I’m not pro or con UBI, I’m just stating what I’ve read about it.

Now that would just be downright un-American... And anti big oil...

 

[travisbb]

There's an application for EVs. Pushing them on all of humanity, for humanity's sake, might not be the noble thing we think it is.

Forcing EVs through social pressure, mandates, forced shortages and termination of ability to purchase ICEVs (Calif 2035) is NOT the way to go.
By turning our backs on ICEVs so quickly, I‘m pretty sure we will throw the baby out with the bath water.

Legislating solutions (ie EVs) instead of outcomes has a long history of abject failure and severe unintended consequences.

Giving EVs a boost to reach market sustainability is one thing, but we are well past that point. Forcing EVs will result in unintended negative consequences, but when they happen few will be smart enough to realize it's EVs causing the problems. This will be things like higher food prices, or more poor people dying in unheated houses, or other hard to connect things like that.