Used Value vs Age

[Steppenwolfe]

Wow, really? Anything stated that isn't true?

Not the place buddy. Sorry.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Ok, I vehemently disagree with your friend's position on this. The problem is not inherited wealth it's a lack of values. Put anything in the hands of the wrong person and you will have a problem. Our society is not falling apart because people have inherited money and wealth from their forefathers, it's because the values of people have gone down the drain.

Very true.

 

[Hay Dude]

Weather you agree or disagree with Scottie's friend, you seemingly would have to admit that the growing gap between the rich and the poor is an issue that needs to be somehow addressed. Somewhere along the line many of us have modified the definition on liberty and freedom to mean that our priorities and desires overrule that of others. So may the strongest survive and screw the rest. The golden rule has become a rule many talk about but is only for use when convenient and doesn't cost you anything. The people without values are definitely a problem, but maybe some of us who think we have values need to reassess our definition of values.

I don’t agree with that. The “gap” you speak of…..correct me if I am wrong, but 100 years ago the wealthy did little to help the poor. Neighther did the government. There was no social programs, no free housing, no free phones, no free college, no free lunch. Literally nothing but soup kitchens and religious charities.
Now poor people have free housing, free phones, free health care and access to more handouts than ever.
So no, I’m not seeing the “poor getting poorer”. I’m seeing more people lifted out of poverty in this country than ever.
Im not sure all the free handouts really help in the long run. We have multi generational people and families who don’t even know how to work, read, or raise a proper family.

 

[ljjhouser]

Well, whenever/if that happens, people will starve to death.

WHAT! HOW could that be??? I thought food was made at the grocery store where you buy it???

I read an article about hunting. A lady was complaining about hunters shooting and eating animals. She said "That is terrible. Why don't they just buy meat at the grocery store where it is made!

 

[MoKelly]

I read an article about hunting. A lady was complaining about hunters shooting and eating animals. She said "That is terrible. Why don't they just buy meat at the grocery store where it is made!

So, how can any human grow up in this country, go to school, presumably graduate and say the above? How?

It is mind boggling.

MoKelly

 

[Hay Dude]

So, how can any human grow up in this country, go to school, presumably graduate and say the above? How?

It is mind boggling.

MoKelly

True story. I was visiting a friend. Another guest stopped by. We got to talking. She asked me what I did for a living. I said I was a farmer and a carpenter
She said “what an interesting blend of careers….you farm and you install carpet”.
She thought a carpenter installed carpet. Lol

 

[ljjhouser]

So, how can any human grow up in this country, go to school, presumably graduate and say the above? How?

It is mind boggling.

MoKelly

Now you have got me there. There is no explanation for a lot of the ignorant statements I have heard in the last 10 years. But I can maybe beat that. When President Obama was running for office, I heard a talk show host answer a call - it went like this - caller - Mr. Obama is going to pay our rent for us. Host - How do you think that is possible?? Caller - Well, that is what I heard. Host - If elected, where would he be able to get that kind of money, it is a lot. caller Well, he would just get it out of his desk drawer, I suppose.

The concept of statements like these escape me. There is no reason to help. I taught school for 38 years. When giving advice, I always told others in education "don't ever argue with a child. They are a child and do not have to be right, and can make it up as they go. On the other hand, you are an adult - act like an adult and help educate. You must be accountable for what you say - that is part of being an adult. No longer the case. I also HATE the statement "I take responsibility for that." What the hell does that mean - where is recourse for loss?

 

[Cougsfan]

I think it is more appropriate today to follow the "inverse golden rule," which is "treat others the same way they treat you."

So with today's values it is perfectly acceptable to modify the teachings of Christ to fit your behavior?

 

[Hay Dude]

So with today's values it is perfectly acceptable to modify the teachings of Christ to fit your behavior?

I’m a lot more worried about the teachings of Christ being taught at all anymore.

 

[rScotty]

Cougsfan said:
So with today's values it is perfectly acceptable to modify the teachings of Christ to fit your behavior?

Steppenwolfe said:
"Sure is... take the evangelicals for the last few years as proof of that."

I think I'll give that one a pass.
rScotty

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

WHAT! HOW could that be??? I thought food was made at the grocery store where you buy it???

I read an article about hunting. A lady was complaining about hunters shooting and eating animals. She said "That is terrible. Why don't they just buy meat at the grocery store where it is made!

"I read an article about hunting. A lady was complaining about hunters shooting and eating animals. She said "That is terrible. Why don't they just buy meat at the grocery store where it is made!"

It's people like her that is proving the movie 'idiocracy' to not be science fiction anymore (smh)

 

[mo1]

So with today's values it is perfectly acceptable to modify the teachings of Christ to fit your behavior?

That was a comment about it being useless to try to set an example today. Not only will others not follow it, they will take advantage of you for having done it.

 

[Hay Dude]

That was a comment about it being useless to try to set an example today. Not only will others not follow it, they will take advantage of you for having done it.

We gotta keep trying though. Once the good people in this country quit believing in themselves and that with good work ethic, this country is still a great nation, we are sunk.
I admit, we are close to disaster, but I think there’s enough good people left. I see some here on this website.
We are in dire need of moral, effective, intelligent leadership

 

[Hay Dude]

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Man that’s beautiful

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Man that’s beautiful

Agreed

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Steppenwolfe said:
"Sure is... take the evangelicals for the last few years as proof of that."

I think I'll give that one a pass.
rScotty

And therein lies the problem.

 

[OzarkChris]

When I was young I used to be against immigrant workers because they took away the harvest and farm work that our family had traditionally done for generations.

When the immigrants came in the 1950s they worked so cheaply in the fields that our family had to turn to other jobs. We had no other choice, so we adapted.

Now that I've lived to be an older guy, I see those immigrants today on our borders and that started me thinking....

Some of those people left everything, and have now walked for years and thousands of miles for years while living hand to mouth...and all for a slight chance that they might get lucky enough to do hard labor that few of us here want to do.

Maybe they aren't such bad people; maybe most are exactly the kind of people we want.

I'm not convinced yet; I'm still thinking it through...
rScotty

I'm all for immigration, but let's do it "Legally".

 

[OzarkChris]

Chris, I think we agree on more than you think. I wasn't insinuating that there aren't people that will still work hard. But in most areas I have seen, there are job postings all over the place, and the people who will work hard are already working. If you can still find people willing to work in Arkansas to fill new jobs, good for you, but I will assure you it is not that way in many areas of our country, and not just in the big cities.

And I too think nuclear power is the way to go, People look at nuclear power through they eyes of 50 year old technology. We have much better ways of doing it today if we just would get over the prejudice against it. (MHarryE, this is a place where technology fits well!) And I am certainly not a fan of windmills either. Solar panels have their place, but aren't a total answer. I am of the opinion we need to ween ourselves off fossil fuels but we need to do it intelligently. I am also certain we will certainly make numerous mistakes along the way.

The extreme environmentalist I was referring to were your mention of tree huggers and spotted owl defenders.

I also think those robotic tractors will be commonplace in 50 years, like it or not. But I think a person would be a fool to invest in one for practical use today.

But in most areas I have seen, there are job postings all over the place, and the people who will work hard are already working.

I believe you may find a bunch of folks living on extended unemployment, etc. 'Round here. $10-15/hour is a decent wage (even when part of that goes toward cheap rent on our property). Again, no longer living in the big city, our "living wage" is probably somewhere around $12/hr (I know many folks living - and saving $ every month - making less). Out here it isn't all about $150+ bottle cognac, $80k+ cars/trucks, eating out every day, etc etc. With these truths, it's really hard to pull folks away from their tv's & couches when Uncle Sugar will pay them the same for doing nothing. I'm not bring political, just being a realist.

Probably the best thing to do with "everyone" that is able-bodied but still on unemployment would be to give them a choice. Start working immediately or draft them into the Military - seriously, maybe then they would understand what "America" is and why folks like myself were willing to die for those who have some of these F'd up ideas/opinions. Please don't take this personally, I'm not specifically speaking about you, but of the AOC's if the world.

Final thought: why don't we institute a mandatory draft (all 72+ sexes) of ALL able-bodied people for a period of 3-4 years. Then everyone could have their free college, medical care, etc without spending trillions?

Some of us enjoyed the military enough to spend 20-30+ years and retire. And NO I'm NOT what many believe - a person without any skills, education or marketable intelligence - My clients have told me I have more "marketable" degrees than a thermometer, but I sure do enjoy working this dirt/land and selling what we can't eat, can etc for ourself.

 

[IndyJay]

When I was young I used to be against immigrant workers because they took away the harvest and farm work that our family had traditionally done for generations.

When the immigrants came in the 1950s they worked so cheaply in the fields that our family had to turn to other jobs. We had no other choice, so we adapted.

Now that I've lived to be an older guy, I see those immigrants today on our borders and that started me thinking....

Some of those people left everything, and have now walked for years and thousands of miles for years while living hand to mouth...and all for a slight chance that they might get lucky enough to do hard labor that few of us here want to do.

Maybe they aren't such bad people; maybe most are exactly the kind of people we want.

I'm not convinced yet; I'm still thinking it through...
rScotty

Scotty, it is not the same as it was prior to 50 or so years ago. "Migrant" workers used to come North to work the fields and take the money back home to their families. Some stayed year-round and worked to send money home. There was little in the way of "free" education, health care or other "entitlements" (funny word for it if you think about it). There was no incentive to move the extended family here, there were only so many low-wage jobs, and it was much more expensive to live here than back home. It worked very well that way for both parties until fairly recently.

You know what? You seldom hear the phrase "migrant worker" anymore.

 

[OzarkChris]

Chris, I think we agree on more than you think. I wasn't insinuating that there aren't people that will still work hard. But in most areas I have seen, there are job postings all over the place, and the people who will work hard are already working. If you can still find people willing to work in Arkansas to fill new jobs, good for you, but I will assure you it is not that way in many areas of our country, and not just in the big cities.

And I too think nuclear power is the way to go, People look at nuclear power through they eyes of 50 year old technology. We have much better ways of doing it today if we just would get over the prejudice against it. (MHarryE, this is a place where technology fits well!) And I am certainly not a fan of windmills either. Solar panels have their place, but aren't a total answer. I am of the opinion we need to ween ourselves off fossil fuels but we need to do it intelligently. I am also certain we will certainly make numerous mistakes along the way.

The extreme environmentalist I was referring to were your mention of tree huggers and spotted owl defenders.

I also think those robotic tractors will be commonplace in 50 years, like it or not. But I think a person would be a fool to invest in one for practical use today.

I also think those robotic tractors will be commonplace in 50 years, like it or not.

Hopefully by then I'll be but a memory to the grandkids and have already had my ashes used as compost over the land. "... We therefore commit this body to the ground, earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust; in sure and certain hope of the Resurrection to eternal life ...". burial service, BCP