Used Value vs Age

[Steppenwolfe]

Wow, really? Anything stated that isn't true?

Somehow I believe your version of the truth is questionable.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

If it can’t be refuted, call it names.

Yep.

MoKelly

Call it what it is... Works for me.

 

[rScotty]

When I was young I used to be against immigrant workers because they took away the harvest and farm work that our family had traditionally done for generations.

When the immigrants came in the 1950s they worked so cheaply in the fields that our family had to turn to other jobs. We had no other choice, so we adapted.

Now that I've lived to be an older guy, I see those immigrants today on our borders and that started me thinking....

Some of those people left everything, and have now walked for years and thousands of miles for years while living hand to mouth...and all for a slight chance that they might get lucky enough to do hard labor that few of us here want to do.

Maybe they aren't such bad people; maybe most are exactly the kind of people we want.

I'm not convinced yet; I'm still thinking it through...
rScotty

 

[Hay Dude]

When I was young I used to be against immigrant workers because they took away the harvest and farm work that our family had traditionally done for generations.

When the immigrants came in the 1950s they worked so cheaply in the fields that our family had to turn to other jobs. We had no other choice, so we adapted.

Now that I've lived to be an older guy, I see those immigrants today on our borders and that started me thinking....

Some of those people left everything, and have now walked for years and thousands of miles for years while living hand to mouth...and all for a slight chance that they might get lucky enough to do hard labor that few of us here want to do.

Maybe they aren't such bad people; maybe most are exactly the kind of people we want.

I'm not convinced yet; I'm still thinking it through...
rScotty

I don’t think anyone, including myself, thinks they are bad people, but all people of all nationalitie, religions, etc. have a minority of bad people in them.
What would be nice is to allow lots of good people to immigrate into the US, rather than have the borders over run by people in a disorderly manner of which we have no idea what their character is.

 

[MoKelly]

Call it what it is... Works for me.

Yep.

 

[Cougsfan]

May I relate a story: I was in Arizona helping my dying brother sell his home. The home was inspected and had the usual "needed fixed" list. An old lifetime Anglo Arizonan electrician came by to take care of the electrical issues. This was about the time the border wall was a big topic. He brought up the subject. He said " We don't need no friggin wall between us and Mexico. If them Mexicans didn't come up here there wouldn't be anyone who would do any work. They are more honest and harder working than most Americans. What we really need is a big a$$ wall between us and California to keep those damn rich Californians out. They are the ones who are screwing Arizona up with all their damn money, raising the cost of everything."
Not wanting to get into a political discussion, I didn't offer a reply or opinion. I just chuckled at his unique perspective.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

When I was young I used to be against immigrant workers because they took away the harvest and farm work that our family had traditionally done for generations.

When the immigrants came in the 1950s they worked so cheaply in the fields that our family had to turn to other jobs. We had no other choice, so we adapted.

Now that I've lived to be an older guy, I see those immigrants today on our borders and that started me thinking....

Some of those people left everything, and have now walked for years and thousands of miles for years while living hand to mouth...and all for a slight chance that they might get lucky enough to do hard labor that few of us here want to do.

Maybe they aren't such bad people; maybe most are exactly the kind of people we want.

I'm not convinced yet; I'm still thinking it through...
rScotty

Yeah it's kind of sad if you think about it.

 

[rScotty]

May I relate a story: I was in Arizona helping my dying brother sell his home. The home was inspected and had the usual "needed fixed" list. An old lifetime Anglo Arizonan electrician came by to take care of the electrical issues. This was about the time the border wall was a big topic. He brought up the subject. He said " We don't need no friggin wall between us and Mexico. If them Mexicans didn't come up here there wouldn't be anyone who would do any work. They are more honest and harder working than most Americans. What we really need is a big a$$ wall between us and California to keep those damn rich Californians out. They are the ones who are screwing Arizona up with all their damn money, raising the cost of everything."
Not wanting to get into a political discussion, I didn't offer a reply or opinion. I just chuckled at his unique perspective.

A similar story: I was at dinner with an old, old friend who had always been a thinker and a long time county commissioner for one of the wealthier ski resort counties in Colorado.

We were talking about fishing when all of a sudden he bursts out with, " You know something, it isn't possible to have a democracy that endures when laws allow inherited wealth.".

And he went on to say that in his opinion, inherited wealth always ends upcreating a "haves" vs "have nots" society which is so devisive that it either falls apart or is destroyed."

I've thought a lot about what he said. He may have a point. Our system is still evolving in the USA. Before you say it couldn't happen, the US was actually on that path back in Eisenhower's presidency when income over a million was taxed at 90%.

He went on to say that one solution would be to allow people to give away anything they wanted when alive, but after they pass their wealth goes into a common pot. Doing that could also eliminate taxes.

Like I said, Dwight was a thinker. Wish he were here now...
rScotty

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

A similar story: I was at dinner with an old, old friend who had always been a thinker and a long time county commissioner for one of the wealthier ski resort counties in Colorado.

We were talking about fishing when all of a sudden he bursts out with, " You know something, it isn't possible to have a democracy that endures when laws allow inherited wealth.".

And he went on to say that in his opinion, inherited wealth always ends upcreating a "haves" vs "have nots" society which is so devisive that it either falls apart or is destroyed."

I've thought a lot about what he said. He may have a point. Our system is still evolving in the USA. Before you say it couldn't happen, the US was actually on that path back in Eisenhower's presidency when income over a million was taxed at 90%.

He went on to say that one solution would be to allow people to give away anything they wanted when alive, but after they pass their wealth goes into a common pot. Doing that could also eliminate taxes.

Like I said, Dwight was a thinker. Wish he were here now...
rScotty

Ok, I vehemently disagree with your friend's position on this. The problem is not inherited wealth it's a lack of values. Put anything in the hands of the wrong person and you will have a problem. Our society is not falling apart because people have inherited money and wealth from their forefathers, it's because the values of people have gone down the drain.

 

[rScotty]

Ok, I vehemently disagree with your friend's position on this. The problem is not inherited wealth it's a lack of values. Put anything in the hands of the wrong person and you will have a problem. Our society is not falling apart because people have inherited money and wealth from their forefathers, it's because the values of people have gone down the drain.

Then we need to figure out what it takes to create values in people.