PTO stuck on Rotary Mower

[Rob 80]

Trying to fix dads B7800 it has a rhino rotary mower SE5 and the PTO shaft will not slide so i was going to remove it from the mower and clean it up with some penetrating oil, It's been giving him trouble for years. I was unable to get it to slide even pulling on it with the tractor. Could even be bent.

I removed the sher bolt that holds the pto shaft to the mower and it seems to have something else holding it. The sher bolt was actually bent so i need a new one.

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If i can get the pto shaft off and the penetrating oil does not work i will just take it somewhere.

 

[Roadworthy]

With the shear bolt removed the shaft should slip right off. I suspect rust or corrosion is preventing this from happening. Try tapping with a hammer after applying penetrating oil. You may be able to get it to move a bit by tapping it further on a bit just to break the adhesion. It's also possible the area around the bolt hole has mushroomed out a bit next to the bolt hole. If this is the case you may be able to remove the mushroomed metal and bevel it down a bit with a drill bit larger than the hole through the shaft.

 

[LD48750]

Had to remove one from my finish mower gearbox.
Ended up heating with a torch.
Just remember to regrease everything when finished.

 

[WRX]

I had a pto shaft get stuck on a finish mower. All the penetrating oil, heat and hammering only moved it an inch. I think the previous owner hadn't used it for years, and lack of grease allowed it to rust. Grass didn't stop growing so I finally got a new pto shaft at tractor supply, and the mower works fine now. If your shear bolt was bent, it may have been the wrong grade and allowed the PTO shaft to slightly twist when the mower hit something, making it really hard to get to slide again.

 

[Rob 80]

Where would i find the sher bolt?

HHCS 1/2NC X 3 PL2 MUST BE GR2 FOR SHER BOLT

Would tractor supply have it?

 

[rScotty]

Where would i find the sher bolt?

HHCS 1/2NC X 3 PL2 MUST BE GR2 FOR SHER BOLT

Would tractor supply have it?

That's a very large diameter shear bolt, being half inch in diameter - although three incles for shank length is about right. You can use longer if it doesn't foul anything. But, are you sure of the 1/2"diameter? The reason I ask is for an ol
5 foot bush hog on a 50 hp tractor our shear bolts are more like 5/16" in diameter, not 1/2".
Any hardware store will have grade 2 bolts threaded for NC - which is simply "National Course" thread as opposed to find thread. That spec is the softest (and cheapest) grade of grade of bolt and will not have any radial slash markings on the head.

For consistent shearing, the best way is real shear bolts with a long smooth shank and shorter threaded area so that the part of the bolt shank that goes through the PTO shaft is unthreaded...i.e. smooth. That way only the threaded portion of the bolt sticks out. Use a Nylock nut or smash the bolt threads so that the nut does not come off.

But if you cannot find a bolt threaded like that, just go ahead and get one of the proper diameter in grade 2 that is threaded so that it will shear across the threaded area. Get more, because that way they will shear at a slightly lower torque.

Get a dozen or so, and as many nuts. No washers.
good luck

 

[Rob 80]

There was a C clip holding it on just so you know

apparently i have the wrong manual

 

[Rob 80]

The part i found is listed at HHCS 1/2NC X 3 PL2 MUST BE GR2

But when i measure the bolt it's 3 1/2....am i missing something simple?

 

[mcfarmall]

3-1/2" is fine as long as the tail of the bolt doesn't strike anything. Just make sure it's a grade 2...and make sure that you put the snap ring back on.

 

[Rob 80]

3-1/2" is fine as long as the tail of the bolt doesn't strike anything. Just make sure it's a grade 2...and make sure that you put the snap ring back on.

I haven't been able to get the snap ring back on it's in a tight place. Do they make a special tool for them? I get it half way on then it snaps in the grass!

 

[mcfarmall]

I haven't been able to get the snap ring back on it's in a tight place. Do they make a special tool for them? I get it half way on then it snaps in the grass!

Keep trying. My hog has an actual external snap ring with ears that will accept a pair of snap ring pliers. I use ones with the 90⁰ tips.

 

[Rob 80]

Does anyone know where i can buy a HHCS 1/2NC X 3 1/2 PL2 MUST BE GR2 FOR SHER BOLT?

Tractor supply had them but no indication of grade. I can find them online but they are priced very high. I don't have many options where i live.

BTW how can i get this C ring back on? There are usually two holes at the end.

 

[bsekf]

Just regular bolts that TS has in their bins and sell by the pound. Be sure to grease the universal joints.

Did the snap ring come from the tractor end of the PTO shaft? If so, be careful the sliding locking mechanism will fall apart and you could lose the balls the lock into the tractor PTO shaft. Get one end of the snap ring into the groove and lock it there with vise grips and then just pry the ring around the shaft, it'll snap right back in.

 

[Rob 80]

Just regular bolts that TS has in their bins and sell by the pound. Be sure to grease the universal joints.

Did the snap ring come from the tractor end of the PTO shaft? If so, be careful the sliding locking mechanism will fall apart and you could lose the balls the lock into the tractor PTO shaft. Get one end of the snap ring into the groove and lock it there with vise grips and then just pry the ring around the shaft, it'll snap right back in.

So Just regular bolts will do? I worry about getting one to strong and damaging my tractor if i hit something large.

 

[mcfarmall]

Be advised that TSC has bins with "regular" (grade 2), grade 5, and grade 8 bolts. Make sure you get the grade 2 bolts, (hint: they will be the lowest cost).

 

[Smokeydog]

They make retaining ring pliers made special just for your type of ring. That’s a tough spot to work a ring back on without the right tool. Can be done by working it back into the groove without special pliers if you like puzzles. That spring ring a lot energy and like to fly so be careful. Amazon or eBay.
Had a backhoe pins that used that used heavy retaining rings of that type. After a few times it was worth buying the pliers. Good tool for any mechanics tool box and part of reward for mastering new skills. On the job training. Some auto parts lend speciality tools just not sure if that would be one.

 

[Smokeydog]

KNIPEX - 45 10 170 Tools - Special Circlip Pliers, Retaining Rings (4510170) KNIPEX - 45 10 170 Tools - Special Circlip Pliers, Retaining Rings (4510170) - Snap Ring Pliers - Amazon.com

 

[Rob 80]

KNIPEX - 45 10 170 Tools - Special Circlip Pliers, Retaining Rings (4510170) KNIPEX - 45 10 170 Tools - Special Circlip Pliers, Retaining Rings (4510170) - Snap Ring Pliers - Amazon.com

Thanks for that link!

 

[newbury]

Darn, another specialty tool I'll probably need.

 

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