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[Bird]

So this forum us for dog pictures. Well, here's Ripper, newest member of our family. He's a Maltese/Yorkie cross, will be 6 weeks old tomorrow and weighs in at about 3.5 pounds. Has the makin's of a good guard dog. He'll guard your toes all day.

 

[goeduck]

So this forum us for dog pictures. Well, here's Ripper, newest member of our family. He's a Maltese/Yorkie cross, will be 6 weeks old tomorrow and weighs in at about 3.5 pounds. Has the makin's of a good guard dog. He'll guard your toes all day.

Watch out for him chewing your shoelaces!

 

[ArlyA]

Blessing of the animals sounds great. I remember that from when I was a kid. Very important for the kids and priest alike.

Yes, but we are ELCA Lutheran.

 

[Sigarms]

I have never used a shock collar. I just keep a good harness on them and yank the leash appropriately until the know the rules.

I could see using them in an emergency situation. I had one I thought was trained enough to be around cattle. It wasn't. Thirty 700 lb steers to the 4 corners after they broke their fence down getting away.

Honestly, the only thing I use a shock collar for is keeping the dog within eyesight and ensuring it listens to "come" commands. As mentioned, generally with every dog, as long as the dog associates the vibrate with a shock (generally after the first one), vibrate is all you need to use.

Most dogs, with a calm voice and treats are responsive, but until you know the dog good for a good 3 months or so, it can be hard to be certain when you don't know the dogs history.

Training / shock collars should never be used to try and subdue aggressive behavior, it only makes the aggression worse.

For dogs who have an aversion to water, a spray bottle works wonders for simple negative reinforcement when needed, particularly indoors. Keep in mind, the dog has to associate the good or bad behavior with the appropriate positive or negative stimulus.

Please note, no training collars seen in this picture

 

[Acethe3rd]

Rest assured... the powers that be have a special place for dogs put aside as they wait for us to join them. She is beautiful.

Sounds like Spinal myelopathy, my Ace (Boxer rescue) was on wheels for 3 months until he started having seizures. I had to put him down. I lost three rescues last year. All 3 were put quietly and humanely down. It was horrible, one I had 15 years, one for 8 years and one for 3 years. I am so sorry. Thank God for people like you that rescues these fur babies. I am so very sorry.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Honestly, the only thing I use a shock collar for is keeping the dog within eyesight and ensuring it listens to "come" commands. As mentioned, generally with every dog, as long as the dog associates the vibrate with a shock (generally after the first one), vibrate is all you need to use.

Most dogs, with a calm voice and treats are responsive, but until you know the dog good for a good 3 months or so, it can be hard to be certain when you don't know the dogs history.

Training / shock collars should never be used to try and subdue aggressive behavior, it only makes the aggression worse.

For dogs who have an aversion to water, a spray bottle works wonders for simple negative reinforcement when needed, particularly indoors. Keep in mind, the dog has to associate the good or bad behavior with the appropriate positive or negative stimulus.

Please note, no training collars seen in this picture

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I think the powers that be will have a special place for people like you as well.

 

[sixdogs]

Out for our nightly ride. He loves 55 MPH with the window down.

 

[Frankenkubota]

So this forum us for dog pictures. Well, here's Ripper, newest member of our family. He's a Maltese/Yorkie cross, will be 6 weeks old tomorrow and weighs in at about 3.5 pounds. Has the makin's of a good guard dog. He'll guard your toes all day.

great name

 

[Sigarms]

I think the powers that be will have a special place for people like you as well.

If that statement was meant in a negative light, please consider 4 things...

1 - I've used the collar on myself (thigh, not the neck) and zapped myself pretty good so I know what I'm dishing out if I go that route (my boys weren't up to it ).

2 - Taking pretty much all the dogs in our past care on walks on our property, I've never lost one dog, nor have ever had a neighbor complain about our dogs on their property doing things they shouldn't be doing (technically speaking, the blue tick hound that we ended up keeping ourselves did wonder off about 4 miles away, but we did get a phone call from a nice person who found his contact info on his collar and called us, but that stopped after he started wearing a "collar" to a point, because he was pretty sneaky, but that stopped after a couple of years, and now we never worry about him leaving).

3 - All the animals in our care had found great loving families who actually appreciated us knowing the dog and it's behavior, and we made some great freindships over the years becuase of dogs.

4 - Although a "shock collar" can imply you don't know how to spend time to actually train a dog, the reality is it only a tool that can actually accomplish training if used correctly, particularly if you don't know how to keep a dog on your property. I'd much prefer a training collar like this than an underground fence for numerous reasons.

See below. Walking off lead without a "training collar". Although she likes to get about 15-20 yards in front of me (she'll always look back if she doesn't hear my footsteps and turn around if I'm walking the other way).

I found her at our Greensboro office by the airport. Guys were feeding her pizza and I ended up taking her home because no one else would. She was scared ****eless on the drive home the first day. Point being, you have to be certain of your dogs behavior before you put them into a relatively unknown situation. Going up the hill before this point, she's on lead only for the fact that people can drive live idiots going around corners going up or down a hill.

 

[Jstpssng]

Any dog I have don't spend much time on a leash; Ruger rarely wears a collar except for when we are going to the vet's or into the hardware store. He goes to work with me and is mostly left to his own devices; they don't pay me to chase after a dog. Generally he rarely lets me out of his sight.
My last dog was a different story. I'm lucky that she didn't get me in trouble, fortunately we worked a long ways from houses. She would disappear, only coming back to make sure that I was where I was supposed to be. Nothing I tried would work. If I ever have another dog like her there will definitely be an e-collar in her life.
She also wore a pinch collar

(HERM SPRENGER Ultra-Plus Training Dog Prong Collar, 20-in neck, 3.25-mm wide - Chewy.com)
I took a lot of flak for that over the years from well meaning, clueless people who told me I was "Cruel". Maybe so, but the only time that she wore it was when leaving the truck to go out in public; simply picking it up would get her all excited as she loved people.
I had tried a version of the "gentle leader" collar but it made her think she was being punished and didn't know why. It also made people think she was vicious and wouldn't approach her. I think that I burned that thing.

 

[goeduck]

As long as a shock collar is only used in "shock" mode in emergency situations and as long as the dog acts as expected when being shocked (does not bolt into traffic or whatever), I would say it is better than the alternative (dog getting run over, etc).

We use fences on livestock all the time and we have fewer breaking fences down and getting hit by vehicles, in someone's yard, etc. I am not seeing the issue.

 

[sixdogs]

As long as a shock collar is only used in "shock" mode in emergency situations and as long as the dog acts as expected when being shocked (does not bolt into traffic or whatever), I would say it is better than the alternative (dog getting run over, etc).

We use fences on livestock all the time and we have fewer breaking fences down and getting hit by vehicles, in someone's yard, etc. I am not seeing the issue.

Agreed. These collars have an adjustable "vibrate" function and that's all I have ever used. Shock never enters the picture with a well-behaved dog. The vibrate is for things you speak of such as an emergency situation where the life of the dog is at risk.

I had a dog run over--in front of me-- when I was 12 years old and it was preventable. A collar would have saved it. Never again. A good dog owner is 3/4 of the battle but dogs sometimes do things dogs do.

Vibrate is no big deal but dogs don't like it and just putting the collar on changes their behavior.

 

[Sigarms]

Agreed. These collars have an adjustable "vibrate" function and that's all I have ever used. Shock never enters the picture with a well-behaved dog. The vibrate is for things you speak of such as an emergency situation where the life of the dog is at risk.

I had a dog run over--in front of me-- when I was 12 years old and it was preventable. A collar would have saved it. Never again. A good dog owner is 3/4 of the battle but dogs sometimes do things dogs do.

Vibrate is no big deal but dogs don't like it and just putting the collar on changes their behavior.

I honestly can't remember a dog that would obey directly with a vibration first and only. Generally, you vibrate first, with a quick shock after the vibrate, and depending on the dog, some will pick up faster than others to correlate the vibration with the shock as a negative reinforcement

Thing I like about the dogtra brand is the settings are between 0 to 150 on the "shock setting", so you can find the discomfort level pretty quick at what setting.

Likewise, all dogs being different, some pick up quicker than others from my own experiences if they are wearing the ecollar LOL

That blue tick hound had the ecollar for about 2 years, now he never needs it as he never sneaks off the property anymore.

One dog is about the dumbest dog we've ever had, and he'll probably be wearing it for life LOL

Our biggest issue is the fact that none of our dogs really get a lot of lead work because they are on the property with us.

 

[Sigarms]

Here is the reality with an ecollar.

See the dog licking his chops in the pic below? (brown coat).

Dog was going to be destroyed by the pound. For whatever reason, he's "odd" when it comes to bigger dogs than himself (other than those in our home). He was my neighbors dog, and I'll give the dog the benefit of the doubt and assume he was actually smarter than my neighbor (who has since moved, which I'm grateful for due to numerous reasons). Side note, dog was kept outside off lead 24/7. Within a couple of weeks he's never had an accident in the house, and he's crated at night.

I have another neighbor on the other side of me that lets his dog roam free. Those two dogs do not get along. Without an ecollar, I would not be able to control the situation on my end (with the brown coat dog).

Technically, I could shoot my neighbor's dog because that dog can spend more time on my property than my neighbors at times, but he's (neighbors dog) is really a good dog, it's just that these two do not get along because our neighbors dog doesn't "live" with us, and only visits coming onto our property which the "brown dog" is trying to defend as he now sees our land as "his turf"

With some dogs, no matter how much training, for whatever reason due to their past, they have odd issues that could become big issues down the road. This is where a ecollar shines.

I don't have the money or great "story" to have ceasar millan (sp?) to fly to us and come and make a TV show, nor with both my wife and I working 80 plus hours a week to try and spend time to understand exactly what is going on with this dogs brain to spend every hour trying to train him.

2 notes

1 - When we sell the house will spend big bucks to redo the kitchen LOL

2 - The cat's balls of steel keep getting bigger when he'd down in the kitchen and the dogs are eating.

That brown dog will be wearing a ecollar the rest of his life with us.

If you ever have a dog that you're giving hope on, I'd ALWAYS suggest to try an ecollar for behavior modification.

 

[Jstpssng]

Do they revert as soon as you take the collar off?
I got my first dog at 7 weeks old. My current dog was just a year old when I got him, was grossly underweight and had spent the first part of his life on a chain, his first winter in an unheated garage. Yet of the two he is better behaved, calmer, and won't willingly let me out of his sight. OTOH she was a lot smarter, virtually fearless, grew up in the woods with me and was always at home there. I always knew that she could have done a lot more if I'd known how to train her, and spent the time doing it.

 

[Sigarms]

Do they revert as soon as you take the collar off?

From my experience, the bigger question is what are they reverting back to so quick per their bad bahavior when the collar is off?

The reality is, with that brown dog, I could probably have the collar off him 70% of the time when the neighbor's dog doesn't come onto our property. With my luck, the one time I don't put the collar on him, the neighbor's dog shows up next to our house.

The brown dogs worst behavior is when a "larger" strange dog is "on his turf" (on our property).

At the end of the day, you spend a couple of hundred bucks on a quality collar to try to rid one bad behavior.

Most of the time with us, it's dogs running off. That small little black dog we found as a pup on the road by the house. We have 40 acres and the first thing he did when we let him out of the house was run to the neighbors yard (because the neighbor would throw food scraps out behind his place). Seriously, open the door, and he runs 100 yards under a fence to the neighbors house because of food. Put a small ecollar on him, and he did get zapped a couple of times, but he's not dumb. It stopped the bad behavior of him running to the neighbors yard once we opened the door.

Hope that makes some sense.

 

[Jstpssng]

My biggest reason would be for a dog running off. As I said before, I take a dog into the woods with me. They need to stay close, even if there's something interesting like a deer, bear, or moose attracting their attention. I used to carry a .22 pistol for a dog call; used only in extreme cases it would bring her running.

 

[ArlyA]

Our mutts are trained for leads, but in the woods we never use them. No shock collars ever used but they are trained. They never run off for more than a few minutes. How could that work?

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^
My current dog is like that also. As I said before, the only time that he wears a collar is when he goes to the vet or out in public.
My last dog was the exact opposite... a very alpha female. She would leave the truck wearing a collar but by the end of the day it would be gone.

You could never walk a dog on lead in the places where we go.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

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No worries about these two running off...