Earth's Hottest Month

[MossRoad]

You've been asking to go back to unregulated industry to compete with the Chinese for a few months now. Just wanted to remind you of a little history of what that would bring back to the U.S. if we did.

 

[Hay Dude]

You've been asking to go back to unregulated industry to compete with the Chinese for a few months now. Just wanted to remind you of a little history of what that would bring back to the U.S. if we did.

Ummmm, no I haven’t been asking to go back to the pictures you posted. I have been asking for regulations to be reasonable, corporate taxes to be lowered and a level playing field where we can reasonably compete.
NOT fires on rivers and skies full of sulfur clouds.

Nice try though. Geeze Moss, try some decaf.

 

[MossRoad]

Note “estimated”
Science talk for “guess”

I tend to believe things I can see for myself VS taking someone's word for it (Thomas had it right). My parents were pretty good at explaining science and balancing that with their faith-based belief system. Our local Catholic high school teaches evolution. They don't have a problem balancing science with their belief system either. The Pope accepted evolution in the 50's. The current Pope says evolution and the big bang theory are real.

Many people have no problem accepting that the world is really old and balancing that with their belief system.

 

[ruffdog]

As a degreed climatologist, I could really get down in the weeds on this and explain why it's all B.S.

But let's take a simpler approach. How long has Earth been here? Some say millions of years, which I personally do not believe. Others say tens of thousands of years. Nobody knows for certain.

No....try Billions of years.

How Old Is Earth?

 

[Hay Dude]

I tend to believe things I can see for myself VS taking someone's word for it (Thomas had it right). My parents were pretty good at explaining science and balancing that with their faith-based belief system. Our local Catholic high school teaches evolution. They don't have a problem balancing science with their belief system either. The Pope accepted evolution in the 50's. The current Pope says evolution and the big bang theory are real.

Many people have no problem accepting that the world is really old and balancing that with their belief system.

Neither do I!
I just don’t like the trend of the last 100 years where ”scientists” (take Bill Nye the “science guy” who isn’t even a scientist for example) get cozy with politics and ruin the validity of science.
We have seen that trend become almost an epidemic problem in this country.
When people start talking weather and the way that can be used to scare people into changing their political beliefs, I become doubtful.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I've asked these questions before, but never really got an answer from anyone.

What is the ideal temperature of earth to sustain human life as compared to the global temperature today? If you had control of the global thermostat, would you lower it or raise it? What kills more humans, cold or heat?

Humans have adapted to the current global temperature quite well so far it seems and I suspect they will continue to adapt as it changes. I haven't been convinced one way or the other whether CO2 is a lagging or leading indicator of global temperature.

I've seen many theories on solar system cycles that seem to get zero attention from climate experts. If it were found that these theories could explain climate changes, a lot of experts would be out of a job because we can't control solar system cycles like we can sheeple.

Kevin

 

[Gee Ray]

You've been asking to go back to unregulated industry to compete with the Chinese for a few months now. Just wanted to remind you of a little history of what that would bring back to the U.S. if we did.

Do you think that the pollution in those pictures has gone away? The pollution and the thousands of jobs that were created by the pollution has simply been sent to China. They now make the products sell them back to us and use cheap/ slave wage workers to produce the products. Since the government of China controls the money, it is spent to promote a style of government that does not promote individual rights and freedoms.

So lets recap this. America losses jobs, money, independence, the ability to control its own goods, think about WWII when the country was able to produce the goods needed to win the war, and the regulation of the pollution producers.

China gains jobs, control of a big piece of our ability to build things from steel/iron(our economy), profits, and they pollute all they want.

Oh yea we came out way ahead on that deal.

 

[MossRoad]

I've asked these questions before, but never really got an answer from anyone.

What is the ideal temperature of earth to sustain human life as compared to the global temperature today? If you had control of the global thermostat, would you lower it or raise it? What kills more humans, cold or heat?

Humans have adapted to the current global temperature quite well so far it seems and I suspect they will continue to adapt as it changes. I haven't been convinced one way or the other whether CO2 is a lagging or leading indicator of global temperature.

I've seen many theories on solar system cycles that seem to get zero attention from climate experts. If it were found that these theories could explain climate changes, a lot of experts would be out of a job because we can't control solar system cycles like we can sheeple.

Kevin

Well, you can always warm up, but you can't always cool down. I pick cold over hot.

One of the main concerns with warming temps is rising sea levels. If that happens, much of the population is in low-lying coastal areas, and will have to move. Also, if that happens, brackish water creeps into low-lying areas that are currently used for food crops, making the land useless for those crops.

That doesn't affect people directly that live higher up from sea level, but will effect hundreds of millions of people at or near sea level around the world.

 

[Tinhack]

CFCs are man made, did not occur in nature until we got here.

Sure they did. Just not until science discovered them in the exact combinations and found them, at that time, to be beneficial to humans then made more of it. I wonder if you've given up your city water and swimming pool. It's the chlorine in that compound which was blamed for destroying the Ozone Layer back in the 80's.

Every time some PhD weatherman breaks a sweat (or maybe breaks wind), we get all this Demagoguery on changing temperatures. Before it was just weather getting colder then they changed it to hotter. Now it's called "climate change" and includes lower AND higher temperatures so it covers their position or maybe their @ss. Then you get some of the politicians trying to make a buck on it by selling credits. It's just another scam to control the masses. THEY want everyone to be dependent on a few in power.

As I recall, it has also been shown that all the planets in our solar system change temperatures. They go up and down and that was considered a natural phenomenon. That science fact was hushed up in a hurry. I guess it won't be long before the U.S. is blamed for that too. We'll have to buy more credits or pay more tax.

 

[MossRoad]

Do you think that the pollution in those pictures has gone away? The pollution and the thousands of jobs that were created by the pollution has simply been sent to China. They now make the products sell them back to us and use cheap/ slave wage workers to produce the products. Since the government of China controls the money, it is spent to promote a style of government that does not promote individual rights and freedoms.

So lets recap this. America losses jobs, money, independence, the ability to control its own goods, think about WWII when the country was able to produce the goods needed to win the war, and the regulation of the pollution producers.

China gains jobs, control of a big piece of our ability to build things from steel/iron(our economy), profits, and they pollute all they want.

Oh yea we came out way ahead on that deal.

I don't know about you, but I know I am doing O.K. I don't personally know of anyone in our family/friends group that is unemployed due to no jobs available. Employers cannot find enough people to work. There are thousands and thousands of unfilled positions in the U.S.

I am glad that I can drive through (make that around) Gary, IN on my travels to Chicago and back and not choke on the air like I did in the 60s.

 

[MossRoad]

Some of my fondest memories as a very small child were of my mom and dad stopping on the sides of the roads in fresh rock cuts made in the new highway system. This was in the 60s. My siblings and I would follow our dad around turning rocks looking for fossils. We'd find plant and animal fossils that were deep in the rock just a month before, now blasted free. No one can tell me that those fossils were put there just a few thousand years ago. No way. Hundreds of millions of years of sedimentation is plain to the eye. It's right there in front of you.

 

[Gee Ray]

Look what has happen to what was once a prosperous part of the country. Despair, poverty, crime and drug abuse.

But the pollution is gone.

The regulations of the government shut down a very robust economy and has produced the Rust Belt. The pollution goes on, just in other parts of the world, without any regulations.

Please explain how this is better for the US or the world. With realistic pollution controls the US economy would be in much better shape if the iron industry would have stayed here.

 

[Diggin It]

I've asked these questions before, but never really got an answer from anyone.

What is the ideal temperature of earth to sustain human life ...

I've asked this question before, but never really got an answer from anyone.

Why does Human life matter over all other forms?

Helen Benson: I need to know what is happening.
Klaatu: This planet is dying. The human race is killing it.
Helen Benson: So you have come here to help us.
Klaatu: No, I didn't.
Helen Benson: You said you came to save us.
Klaatu: I said I came to save the Earth.
Helen Benson: You came to save the Earth from us.
Klaatu: We can't risk the survival of this planet for the sake of one species.
Helen Benson: What are you saying?
Klaatu: If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives. There are only a handful of planets in the cosmos that are capable of supporting complex life.
Helen Benson: You can't do this.
Klaatu: This one can't be allowed to perish.
Helen Benson: We can change. We can still turn things around.
Klaatu: We have watched. We have waited and hoped that you would change.
Helen Benson: Please.
Klaatu: It has reached the tipping point. We have to act.
Helen Benson: Please.
Klaatu: We will undo the damage you have done and give the Earth a chance to begin again.
Helen Benson: Don't do this. Please, we can change. We can change.
Klaatu: The decision is made. The process has begun.

 

[deezler]

What is the ideal temperature of earth to sustain human life as compared to the global temperature today? If you had control of the global thermostat, would you lower it or raise it? What kills more humans, cold or heat?

Kevin

Kevin.... this is an easy one. A very easy one. You could have just searched it yourself.

HEAT kills many, many, many times more humans than cold. In a cold climate, there is still a growing season for food production, and you can easily keep warm all winter. In a baked, dry, hot environment, people cannot cool off, cannot grow food well, cannot find enough water.

It's really pretty basic chemistry and physics to measure and understand that humans are now taking enough fossil fuels out of the ground and burning them to substantially alter the CO2 concentration in our atmosphere, which has a very logical and proven effect on heat retention in the oceans and air. What is not proven, is exactly how much of our recent warming and climate shifts are due to our human contribution. It is simply illogical to say it has had no effect, but any good scientist will acknowledge that greater, natural trends could also be underway.

Nonetheless, virtually the entire global scientific community now overwhelmingly agrees that humans are contributing heavily to the real climate changes observed. So what are you deniers and skeptics really trying to win here? Avoiding guilt for your personal contributions?

Green energy and reasonable regulation of industry does not kill jobs. It just changes them, with new opportunities arising. If you are willing to chance torching the entire earth because you're simply afraid of change, or just want your political tribe to win, well that's a pretty sad critique on human nature. We have to make this shift in energy use together, so please don't make the majority drag you along so reluctantly.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Kevin.... this is an easy one. A very easy one. You could have just searched it yourself.

HEAT kills many, many, many times more humans than cold. In a cold climate, there is still a growing season for food production, and you can easily keep warm all winter. In a baked, dry, hot environment, people cannot cool off, cannot grow food well, cannot find enough water.

It's really pretty basic chemistry and physics to measure and understand that humans are now taking enough fossil fuels out of the ground and burning them to substantially alter the CO2 concentration in our atmosphere, which has a very logical and proven effect on heat retention in the oceans and air. What is not proven, is exactly how much of our recent warming and climate shifts are due to our human contribution. It is simply illogical to say it has had no effect, but any good scientist will acknowledge that greater, natural trends could also be underway.

Nonetheless, virtually the entire global scientific community now overwhelmingly agrees that humans are contributing heavily to the real climate changes observed. So what are you deniers and skeptics really trying to win here? Avoiding guilt for your personal contributions?

Green energy and reasonable regulation of industry does not kill jobs. It just changes them, with new opportunities arising. If you are willing to chance torching the entire earth because you're simply afraid of change, or just want your political tribe to win, well that's a pretty sad critique on human nature. We have to make this shift in energy use together, so please don't make the majority drag you along so reluctantly.

So what temperature would you turn the global thermostat down to? Let's say what year would you like to match it to, 1 million BC, 500 K BC, the year zero, 1000 AD, etc. etc. I don't deny the climate is changing btw and I don't deny that man may be contributing to it.

Do you deny that solar system cycles effect the earth's climate? I'm not talking about the 11 year solar cycle.

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

Small cyclical variations in the shape of Earth's orbit, its wobble and the angle its axis is tilted play key roles in influencing Earth's climate over timespans of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

climate.nasa.gov

I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and I don't think science has all the answers yet. I suspect many climate scientists would admit they don't have all the answers if they could speak anonymously. Trillions of $ have really muddied the waters.

Kevin

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

This video was linked in the previous article I posted.

It's too interesting to miss. I think the video stands on it's own.

It's not very long, but sure is "thought provoking", isn't it?

What say you, "Climate Alarmists"?

 

[EddieWalker]

Well, you can always warm up, but you can't always cool down. I pick cold over hot.

One of the main concerns with warming temps is rising sea levels. If that happens, much of the population is in low-lying coastal areas, and will have to move. Also, if that happens, brackish water creeps into low-lying areas that are currently used for food crops, making the land useless for those crops.

That doesn't affect people directly that live higher up from sea level, but will effect hundreds of millions of people at or near sea level around the world.

If people actually believed that the sea levels are going to rise, why do the insurance companies continue to insure every single home, hotel and building on the coast? Why would Obama spend so much money for a house right next to the ocean if he believed in global warming?

 

[ruffdog]

For some coastal regions, 30 year mortgages are not available because of future flooding.