Farm accidents: Low IQ levels or wrong choices

[Fixastuff]

I don't know about SAT tests today, but when I was in school 40 years ago they were also multiple guess,

They're only multiple guess if you don't know the answer.

 

[drssg]

An IQ test is different than a mechanical aptitude test or good ol common sense. I know VERY smart people that wouldn't know which end of a shovel to hold and I know VERY good farmers that know very little other than farming. I find nothing wrong with either people because it is up to me to decide on what I believe from either person.

A smart person learns from your own mistakes while a wise person learns from other's mistakes.

I am amazed by how much difference there can be between IQ and mechanical aptitude. As a young adult in college, I was quite frustrated by any mechanical process. I could do the math, physics, chemistry, and computer programming, but if I tried to change the oil in my car, I would screw it up. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME!!!!

I got to the point where I just stopped trying, and I would just pay people for any mechanical work I needed done.

About twenty years ago, my wife and I bought some land and a tractor. The dealership was about 45 minutes from our house, and I would have paid some significant transportation costs to take the tractor in for service, so I decided to give it one more shot.

It seems that I had developed more patience and a genuine interest in learning to develop mechanical skills. In my younger days, I was just trying to save a few bucks, and I wanted to finish the unpleasant job ASAP, which ironically made it take longer.

I am pleased to say that I'm now reasonably competent at basic fluids and filters maintenance and I've done a ton of projects around the farm, such as building fences and horse stalls and installing automatic waterers in the barn. Sometimes it just takes more time to grow up.

 

[/pine]

...A smart person learns from your own mistakes while a wise person learns from other's mistakes....

If you are not making mistakes...you're not learning anything...if you allow everyone else to do everything for you and you only observe...you really aren't learning anything either...

 

[Jstpssng]

They're only multiple guess if you don't know the answer.

That's my point... you don't have to know the answer.

 

[Fixastuff]

That's my point... you don't have to know the answer.

I guess I have a low IQ. Please clarify are you saying people who are valedictorian of their high school and get perfect or near perfect SAT scores do it through guessing and don't actually know the correct answers?

 

[Jstpssng]

I guess I have a low IQ. Please clarify are you saying people who are valedictorian of their high school and get perfect or near perfect SAT scores do it through guessing and don't actually know the correct answers?

I wouldn't go that far, yet I would say that SATs are a poor indication of what somebody knows. Anybody who graduated in the highest 10-20% of their class did more than fill out boxes with number 2 pencils to achieve that level.
They may have changed in the last 45 years but I always was good at passing them, yet would have a much lower grade with a true test of knowledge. using short answer or essays .

 

[Fixastuff]

I wouldn't go that far, yet I would say that SATs are a poor indication of what somebody knows. Anybody who graduated in the highest 10-20% of their class did more than fill out boxes with number 2 pencils to achieve that level.

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[repete]

The 20 hour days are a big part of it. That, and farms are not factories with fixed equipment. That ammonia fitting can blow out unexpectedly. Rapidly rotating machines sometimes fly apart. Tractors have a ROPS for a reason, but they only improve your chances, not prevent injury or death. Ambulance service is a long way away. Lack of EMS is the primary reason rural people die younger than urban people.

Lot of truth here. Rural EMS is no what urban EMS is. I worked as professional firefighter/EMT for 34 years in an urban environment and am retired now. I also volunteer in the rural community I live in. This is my 53rd year as a FD responder.
While at "work" I had access to 22 paid crew members, sitting in fire stations within a three mile radius. At home in my rural county, we have an average of 1 EMS person for every 8 square miles and these are predominately volunteers. Most volunteers work day jobs so not a lot of help from 7am till 6pm. Often times I am the responder, by myself. There are times when I am in the pasture doing something and the pager on my hip goes off to alert me to a call. I can only drop my equipment in the pasture and head to the barn 1/2 mile away with the tractor and hop in my car and head to the fire station three miles away, get in the appropriate vehicle and head to the injury site. Like Larry said, HUGE difference between 22 guys on scene in four or five minutes and.....me at home.

At work I was 30 minutes max by ground to a level 1 trauma center. At home I would use the same trauma center and by air over an hour away from when I request a medivac chopper once I see the injury.

In all fairness though, where I worked full time the homeowners paid $2.85/$1000 of assessed home value for the protection they received and in the community where I volunteer the homeowner pays about 50 cents per thousand. Not sure what level of care would be available in my community if homeowners here paid six times as much. Likely we would have a paid person at the station. I guess there are those occasions where you get what you pay for.

 

[Beeenvenue]

"Low IQ scores in early adulthood were associated with a subsequently increased risk of asinine posts, often including ‘correlation without causation’ statements. A greater understanding of mechanisms underlying these associations may provide opportunities and strategies for prevention such as user bans, etc”

Working alone

Working many hours in a row without adequate rest

Working after dark/before dawn

No corporate safety officials to help promulgate safety rules, policies, and practices

inadequate training often due in part to inability to dedicate training time in a low-margin industry

Shall I continue? Versions of the above are also behind “behavioral based safety” programs in non-agricultural industries which, according to your premise, should be immune due to all the imbeciles working in farming leaving only geniuses for others.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Op's one of those you seen getting ran off of places like Reddit for being too much of an Incel for even them to handle, while claiming his IQ is 148 when it's actually 78. Pay him no attention.

 

[/pine]

doo doo occurs...

 

[ning]

op is the same troll that claims that in ****** fuel is $1/liter despite all evidence to the contrary.

Troll is as troll does.

 

[Peace]

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Hmm... interesting.

 

[bcp]

Testing.

Bruce

 

[Jstpssng]

Testing.

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Bruce

Perfect! That pretty much describes how I feel about IQ tests.

I could be biased though... until I took one I didn't realize that you could have a score in the negative numbers.

 

[Jchonline]

What is the reason behind farm accidents ?


"Low IQ scores in early adulthood were associated with a subsequently increased risk of unintentional injury. A greater understanding of mechanisms underlying these associations may provide opportunities and strategies for prevention"


Although willpower and choice based accidents may be independent of IQ levels, still in order to secure the work in the widest scope, it should be aimed to minimize the multitasking distribution as much as possible to minimize the accidents based on the lack of analytical ability due to low IQ levels and choice mistakes due to physical fatigue. Warnings written in an effective language that triggers the right way of thinking should be posted all over the farm to ensure that workers are constantly reminded. Workers suspected of slow analytical ability should not be assigned to complex tasks.

Overconfidence, arrogance Are also reasons.

 

[Hay Dude]

Overconfidence, arrogance Are also reasons.

Desperate to pay bills, beat the rain, or see your kids in a game or a graduation could be among the others.

 

[MoKelly]

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Bruce

Physical test.

Is this gym class for animals?

MoKelly

 

[Hay Dude]

Just slap a sticker that says “Darwin’s theory applies here. Proceed at your own risk.”

Theres not enough sheet metal for all the stickers required on some of the more dangerous farm machinery.

 

[3Ts]

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Bruce

Very appropriate!

Testing scores, especially standardized testing, are dependent on the environment and culture. Have a kid in Colorado describe a tunnel compared to a kid in Florida describe a tunnel. You'll get a much better description from one who has seen and/or experienced it.