rekees4300
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Yes that's a good point. One has to wonder how these UFOs know the location of nuke missile silos and why would they even care? On the other hand the Russians know all of the locations!
UFO's... What do you think?
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The The War Zone website has been covering the US Navy encounters with UFOs for years. There are quite a few interesting articles on the website regarding the encounters, what happened to the tapes, possible explanations, but also some odd stories involving a rock star talking UFOs, the US government, and very odd patents being taken out by an obscure doctor working for the US government. Some of it will make your head hurt. 
The encounters go beyond a handful of pilots, see the website above, but also include many sailors on quite a few of the most advanced war ships in the world. Ships with amazing sensor technologies. These ships have also had these encounters. This has not been a small number of people seeing UFOs at one event. It is more.
Something is going on. Oddly, the US government is admitting so at some level. The question is why and what is going on. Stating the obvious, obviously.
So it could be aliens... If so, it is what it is.
But if it is not aliens who be it and what are we seeing?
Some are starting to say in is Russian or Chinese craft of some kind. I think this is bull squat for one simple reason. The Russians make horrible jet engines. They do not have the performance of US or EU engines and their reliability and length of service is horrible. As bad as the Russian engines are, they are works of art compared to what the Chinese make. For some reason, the Chinese cannot make jet engines. They can't make them to the same level as the Russians.
People look at the aircraft carriers the Chinese are building and have built and they are in awe. Last time I checked, an aircraft carrier is worthless without, well, aircraft. The Chinese have less than 20 aircraft that are carrier capable and the only way they can get more, is to buy more Russian engines. Even with Russian engines, the plane's performance is not that good. They have a few carriers but they are only good for show and catching various weapons.
If you can't build a jet engine, how in the heck have they discovered the science and then built the technology to exploit that science, to enable them to build an aircraft that performs in the manner that has been seen by USN aircraft and ships? How does this aircraft get to the west coast of the US unobserved by the indepth sensor network the US has in place. Not very plausible.
So if they ain't aliens who and what is it?
My best guess is that a bunch of this is disinformation to hide what the US government really has been developing. There have been some simple explanations that some of the sightings were target balloons, which do look sorta like what has been seen, but that does not explain the performance and actions of the UFO that has been observed.
Whatever the answer, it will be real interesting when we find the answer.
Later,
Dan
The encounters go beyond a handful of pilots, see the website above, but also include many sailors on quite a few of the most advanced war ships in the world. Ships with amazing sensor technologies. These ships have also had these encounters. This has not been a small number of people seeing UFOs at one event. It is more.
Something is going on. Oddly, the US government is admitting so at some level. The question is why and what is going on. Stating the obvious, obviously.
So it could be aliens... If so, it is what it is.
But if it is not aliens who be it and what are we seeing?
Some are starting to say in is Russian or Chinese craft of some kind. I think this is bull squat for one simple reason. The Russians make horrible jet engines. They do not have the performance of US or EU engines and their reliability and length of service is horrible. As bad as the Russian engines are, they are works of art compared to what the Chinese make. For some reason, the Chinese cannot make jet engines. They can't make them to the same level as the Russians.
People look at the aircraft carriers the Chinese are building and have built and they are in awe. Last time I checked, an aircraft carrier is worthless without, well, aircraft. The Chinese have less than 20 aircraft that are carrier capable and the only way they can get more, is to buy more Russian engines. Even with Russian engines, the plane's performance is not that good. They have a few carriers but they are only good for show and catching various weapons.
If you can't build a jet engine, how in the heck have they discovered the science and then built the technology to exploit that science, to enable them to build an aircraft that performs in the manner that has been seen by USN aircraft and ships? How does this aircraft get to the west coast of the US unobserved by the indepth sensor network the US has in place. Not very plausible.
So if they ain't aliens who and what is it?
My best guess is that a bunch of this is disinformation to hide what the US government really has been developing. There have been some simple explanations that some of the sightings were target balloons, which do look sorta like what has been seen, but that does not explain the performance and actions of the UFO that has been observed.
Whatever the answer, it will be real interesting when we find the answer.
Later,
Dan
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If we ever do find an answer, and I mean lay people like you and me. Maybe someone in the military already knows the answers, but the more I hear the less sure I am that they do.
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I think it’s all BS and until one gets splashed and put out in the middle of the towns square for all to see the wreckage, I ain’t buying it.
If they do, then I will be convinced it’s real.
If they do, then I will be convinced it’s real.
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Yes, I would be honored to be an honorary Missourian.
UFOs have been in and out of the news for 50+ years, yet there’s nothing tangible or material to show for all those fuzzy, grainy or night radar images.
I have no doubt there’s intelligent life some where in some distant galaxy.
However, the UFO stories are probably pulled back out over and over during slow news cycles.
There may be some experimental aircraft out there being used to tease our military. I guess those could be considered to be a “UFO”, but I don’t believe they are being flown by little green men with big eyes and a ray gun.
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I 100% agree with Hay Dude. Now - do I think there are other civilizations out there - somewhere - definitely yes.
Little grey men and flying saucers - somebody looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
Little grey men and flying saucers - somebody looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
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Considering the deplorable state this planet is in generally, who would want to visit it anyway? No one I know of....Yes, I would be honored to be an honorary Missourian.
UFOs have been in and out of the news for 50+ years, yet there’s nothing tangible or material to show for all those fuzzy, grainy or night radar images.
I have no doubt there’s intelligent life some where in some distant galaxy.
However, the UFO stories are probably pulled back out over and over during slow news cycles.
There may be some experimental aircraft out there being used to tease our military. I guess those could be considered to be a “UFO”, but I don’t believe they are being flown by little green men with big eyes and a ray gun.
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One of the more famous cases happened here in northern N.H. in 1961, the "abduction" of Barney & Betty Hill in Franconia Notch.
Here's an article that explains what probably really went down on that September night 60 years ago:
Making Light: Alien Abduction: Betty & Barney Hill
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Drugs......One of the more famous cases happened here in northern N.H. in 1961, the "abduction" of Barney & Betty Hill in Franconia Notch.
Here's an article that explains what probably really went down on that September night 60 years ago:
The Hill Case — Part 1
What We Know and How We Know It, Part 1: What We Know: Betty and Barney were sleep deprived on the night of 19/20 September 1961 How We Know It: They were on the back side of a twelve-hundred mile …madhousemanor.com
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A 40 year old couple in 1961? Not likely.
I did change the original link I posted to another, more detailed explanation. A bit long and at times rambling, but it's probably the best description, especially for someone not familiar with the area.
Oh come on. Why does somebody always have to inject facts into a perfectly good story?
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If you will indulge me in a lengthy story of my past from 1979 and wish to "ride along" as I set the stage for a fairly complicated tale. Trust me there is a conclusion at the end. And some of the setup is somewhat necessary for you to understand my thought process at the time. I have told this story before, and maybe even in this old thread, and if you want to stop reading now, that is OK.
Stage setting: I was dispatching for the Green county Sheriff's Office, a county of about 640 square miles with Lawrence county to the west and Webster county to the east. The GCSO's Headquarters was pretty much in the middle of Springfield Mo, and you need to know that the city of Republic Mo. is to the west around 12 miles from Springfield, and the "tar tanks" are a mile or two west of Republic Mo. The city of Fordland Mo. is over in Webster county about 25 miles to the east of Springfield, and a couple of miles east of Fordland is the location for all of the Television and FM radio towers that serve the city of Springfield, and surrounding community's.
As the dispatcher for that evening shift sometime in the summer of 1979 I had 4 regular cars patrolling the county and our office at that time had only about 110 regular sworn officers, but we could call up hundreds more if need be in the form of many "auxiliary" organization's, not the least of which was several small towns like Republic Police officers and Civil defense volunteers and many many more. All of these people were dispatched and communicated with from the Sheriffs office HQ. They were under the command of the designated Shift Commander for that shift.
But the Dispatch center was the hub for all communications, both telephonic and radio. I cannot remember the exact number of lines we had on the telephone but it was a 20 button key system and the radio consoles were rather large and had dozens of buttons and lights and many radio channels. The selected or main channel was "brought down" to the desk level and was the loudest in volume and the immediate controls were at your fingertips and the other channel were somewhat attenuated in volume and their controls were left up on the console. In other words you could hear and react to all the other channels but your prime focus was the "selected" channel.
This was the evening shift, so night is approaching. I revived a phone call from a female member of the public that said she had seen a twin engine aircraft "with the left engine on fire, crash just to the west a mile or two from the Republic "tar tanks".
OK, this sounded serious, I called the Shift commander for his instructions. He advised to roll all of our cars except the east car to the west and to call out Civil Defense And alert the other Police departments in the western half of the county (they were all sworn deputy's as well as police officers) and start a grid search in the western half of the county. Keep in mind this is nearing the border with Lawrence county.
As the search progressed and units reported in about completing there assigned search grids without success, more and more units were called in by orders of the Shift Commander. I was a very busy boy trying to coordinate the search and calling up by radio and telephone other units to search and getting more and more calls from the public about some kind of aerial event always to the western end of our county. Various of the callers described different things, but it was always some kind of light or fire or aircraft or something. None were as specific as the original caller with the twin engine aircraft with the LEFT engine on fire that crashed a mile or so west of the tar tanks, but everyone saw something and they were all concerned enough to phone it in.
Then I got a call from one of the Television transmitter sites from an engineer at that site (remember east of Fordland, Mo, over in Webster county) that he had seen something go down to the west, maybe an aircraft or something.
Hmmm... This is when I stopped to think, "how in the world could a guy east of Fordland, have seen the same thing as a lady near Republic? That is over 40 miles apart, It would not be likely they would have seen the same thing. My suspicion grew. The shift commander wanted me to contact Lawrence county to see if they could send any units to their eastern border to search for the crash. I called them on the radio. They replied that they were extremely busy searching for a downed aircraft in the WESTERN end of their county. Then I noticed by listening to the fainter radio calls of multiple other counties to our west and even all the way out to Cherokee County Kansas, they were all busy searching for some kind of aerial event.
Our radio towers were rather tall, and I could hear counties well over 100 miles from Springfield at least faintly. I also conferred then with the State Patrol over the secure hotline we had between us, that they too had been getting reports of something to the west. I advised the shift commander of all of this and we concluded together that while this was not a hoax, this was not likely a downed aircraft in the western end of our county either. We secured the searchers.
We did not learn what all those dozens of citizen observers had seen until the next morning when it was reported that a meteor had fallen to earth somewhere in Oklahoma which is well to the west of Greene county Missouri.
Moral to this lengthy story: Citizen observers don't have a clue to what they have witnessed. AND when they don't know what they have seen, they will make up a story to fill in what they don't understand. "A twin engine aircraft with the LEFT engine on fire". It doesn't get more specific than that. And the location of the crash, a "mile or so west of the tar tanks", WOW, that is pretty specific. And just a wrong as it could be. So when someone says I saw this UFO crash just behind Junior Samples barn, Don't you believe a word of it. Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable of all evidence.
Stage setting: I was dispatching for the Green county Sheriff's Office, a county of about 640 square miles with Lawrence county to the west and Webster county to the east. The GCSO's Headquarters was pretty much in the middle of Springfield Mo, and you need to know that the city of Republic Mo. is to the west around 12 miles from Springfield, and the "tar tanks" are a mile or two west of Republic Mo. The city of Fordland Mo. is over in Webster county about 25 miles to the east of Springfield, and a couple of miles east of Fordland is the location for all of the Television and FM radio towers that serve the city of Springfield, and surrounding community's.
As the dispatcher for that evening shift sometime in the summer of 1979 I had 4 regular cars patrolling the county and our office at that time had only about 110 regular sworn officers, but we could call up hundreds more if need be in the form of many "auxiliary" organization's, not the least of which was several small towns like Republic Police officers and Civil defense volunteers and many many more. All of these people were dispatched and communicated with from the Sheriffs office HQ. They were under the command of the designated Shift Commander for that shift.
But the Dispatch center was the hub for all communications, both telephonic and radio. I cannot remember the exact number of lines we had on the telephone but it was a 20 button key system and the radio consoles were rather large and had dozens of buttons and lights and many radio channels. The selected or main channel was "brought down" to the desk level and was the loudest in volume and the immediate controls were at your fingertips and the other channel were somewhat attenuated in volume and their controls were left up on the console. In other words you could hear and react to all the other channels but your prime focus was the "selected" channel.
This was the evening shift, so night is approaching. I revived a phone call from a female member of the public that said she had seen a twin engine aircraft "with the left engine on fire, crash just to the west a mile or two from the Republic "tar tanks".
OK, this sounded serious, I called the Shift commander for his instructions. He advised to roll all of our cars except the east car to the west and to call out Civil Defense And alert the other Police departments in the western half of the county (they were all sworn deputy's as well as police officers) and start a grid search in the western half of the county. Keep in mind this is nearing the border with Lawrence county.
As the search progressed and units reported in about completing there assigned search grids without success, more and more units were called in by orders of the Shift Commander. I was a very busy boy trying to coordinate the search and calling up by radio and telephone other units to search and getting more and more calls from the public about some kind of aerial event always to the western end of our county. Various of the callers described different things, but it was always some kind of light or fire or aircraft or something. None were as specific as the original caller with the twin engine aircraft with the LEFT engine on fire that crashed a mile or so west of the tar tanks, but everyone saw something and they were all concerned enough to phone it in.
Then I got a call from one of the Television transmitter sites from an engineer at that site (remember east of Fordland, Mo, over in Webster county) that he had seen something go down to the west, maybe an aircraft or something.
Hmmm... This is when I stopped to think, "how in the world could a guy east of Fordland, have seen the same thing as a lady near Republic? That is over 40 miles apart, It would not be likely they would have seen the same thing. My suspicion grew. The shift commander wanted me to contact Lawrence county to see if they could send any units to their eastern border to search for the crash. I called them on the radio. They replied that they were extremely busy searching for a downed aircraft in the WESTERN end of their county. Then I noticed by listening to the fainter radio calls of multiple other counties to our west and even all the way out to Cherokee County Kansas, they were all busy searching for some kind of aerial event.
Our radio towers were rather tall, and I could hear counties well over 100 miles from Springfield at least faintly. I also conferred then with the State Patrol over the secure hotline we had between us, that they too had been getting reports of something to the west. I advised the shift commander of all of this and we concluded together that while this was not a hoax, this was not likely a downed aircraft in the western end of our county either. We secured the searchers.
We did not learn what all those dozens of citizen observers had seen until the next morning when it was reported that a meteor had fallen to earth somewhere in Oklahoma which is well to the west of Greene county Missouri.
Moral to this lengthy story: Citizen observers don't have a clue to what they have witnessed. AND when they don't know what they have seen, they will make up a story to fill in what they don't understand. "A twin engine aircraft with the LEFT engine on fire". It doesn't get more specific than that. And the location of the crash, a "mile or so west of the tar tanks", WOW, that is pretty specific. And just a wrong as it could be. So when someone says I saw this UFO crash just behind Junior Samples barn, Don't you believe a word of it. Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable of all evidence.
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If I was the "alien in charge" of a vessel capable of traveling the Galaxy, and happened to come across this out of the way rock with something called humans on it; I think I would just continue on my way... kinda like how we drive around the bad parts of a town. Who needs that kind of trouble anyway?
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This is good advice. I have seen quite a few odd things that I can't explain over the course of my life. It is easy to blame them on things such as UFO's. especially if you want to believe in them. However that isn't proof. But paradoxically also it doesn't mean UFO's don't exist. The same goes for miracles. Just because you see one doesn't mean it was really a "miracle" rather than an illusion. But it also doesn't rule out that miracles can happen. It is hard to be happy with an agnostic "I just don't know."
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You can get some awesome UFO's at Walmart or Amazon...
just do a search for " LED Helium Balloons"...!
just do a search for " LED Helium Balloons"...!
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I think they were just like the lady that lives two doors down from us.
She told the next door neighbor she saw an ostrich in the driveway.
Now I rarely say never, and usually admit there's a chance of something no matter how small, but man, their are few ostriches around here and I'm pretty sure a missing one would have been reported.
It was probably a turkey or sandhill crane, and she was probably D-R-U-N-K drunk.
But, you never know.
She told the next door neighbor she saw an ostrich in the driveway.
Now I rarely say never, and usually admit there's a chance of something no matter how small, but man, their are few ostriches around here and I'm pretty sure a missing one would have been reported.
It was probably a turkey or sandhill crane, and she was probably D-R-U-N-K drunk.
But, you never know.
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In a fairly dense STL suburb, some guy calls the police and says there is a bear in his front yard.
The police say “are you sure? Have you been drinking”?
Guy says no and it just climbed the front yard Oak tree.
Police show up and sure enough - a bear is in the tree.
Hours later they shoot the bear with a dart and it falls out of the tree.
First bear in that suburb since 1955.
Never say never.
MoKelly
The police say “are you sure? Have you been drinking”?
Guy says no and it just climbed the front yard Oak tree.
Police show up and sure enough - a bear is in the tree.
Hours later they shoot the bear with a dart and it falls out of the tree.
First bear in that suburb since 1955.
Never say never.
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Seriously?
Do you know how addicted to pain meds President Kennedy was in 1960?
Drug addiction goes back to the very invention of them.
I was looking more for laughs with my “drugs” comment, but come on folks......People abducted by martians?
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