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I think part of the reason why the Stihl cuts so well is the way it was sharpened in a jig by the dealer rather than by hand which is the way I have been doing it for 40 years. Hence the comment about needing to up my sharpening game. From a value point of view, Oregon is hard to beat and what I will buy next. But I will be interested to hear how you like the Husky chain over time.

I've said this elsewhere on the forum (and probably in this thread): I've met many dozens of people who think they are top-notch at freehand sharpening with nothing but a bare round file. I've met exactly 3 who actually can get excellent results that way (one was a retired machinist, one was a competition chainsaw racer, and one was a pro logger). Most of them only think they are getting great results, when really the best you can say is that it cuts somewhat better than before they sharpened it.

Having said that, it is not at all difficult to sharpen a chain and get equal to or better than "new out of the box" performance if you use one of several types of handheld chain sharpening guides that are available. Using those guides properly, you can generally beat the cutting performance of even a highly experienced person using a grinder to sharpen chain (and you are WAY better off than trusting your chain to some hardware store flunky who had all of 15 minutes of training on operating their chain grinder.)

I did have a little fun with a guy who was quite proud of his freehand sharpening skills. I could see that most of his filing was too shallow on the tooth, resulting in a poor tooth profile when he sharpened. He was also "rocking" the file during each stroke: mostly up and down, but occasionally also left and right as well. This can do bad things to the cutting edge of the tooth. He borrowed my saw to finish up some cutting when his saw ran out of gas and we were far from the fuel can. When he handed it back, he commented that my 50 cc saw seemed to have "more power" than has 60cc saw. I told him that it had been "modded", and that I could do the same mod to his saw right here in the woods, it would only take me a few minutes. I sharpened his saw for him using a guide (and endured his snide comments about my needing "training wheels" to sharpen a chain, and ignored is claim that he had just recently sharpened it, so it was "good"). I handed him back his saw and asked him to make some cuts in the Red Oak he had just felled.To make a long story short: he no longer freehand sharpens his chain. These days, he's using a guide.

I don't claim any super-human skills, and I'm not the fastest at sharpening. It's just that with a little practice, using a guide makes good sharpening almost a no-brainer. Just about anyone can learn to do it well, and with a little bit of practice get results that beat new out of the box chains. The guides are also a boon for those of us whose eyesight is not as good as it once was.

Pet peeve: a few years back, Oregon made a big deal over "sharp right out of the box". Yeah, its sharp, but they are not following their own sharpening guidelines. They are putting way too much hook on the tooth. This makes the chain cut much more aggressively at first, but the point on that long, thin beak is very fragile. It just does not hold up, so you have to resharpen far sooner than you would if they sharpened it properly. I suspect they do that because first impressions carry a lot of weight in the eyes of a user. When they first put a new chain on, they think "wow, this stuff is really good!" They don't tend to notice that it doesn't last as long as it should. However, they remember that impression, and go looking for that same chain next time they buy. With a good resharpening, you have a chain that lasts as it should.
 
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I've said this elsewhere on the forum (and probably in this thread): I've met many dozens of people who think they are top-notch at freehand sharpening with nothing but a bare round file. I've met exactly 3 who actually can get excellent results that way (one was a retired machinist, one was a competition chainsaw racer, and one was a pro logger). Most of them only think they are getting great results, when really the best you can say is that it cuts somewhat better than before they sharpened it.

Having said that, it is not at all difficult to sharpen a chain and get equal to or better than "new out of the box" performance if you use one of several types of handheld chain sharpening guides that are available. Using those guides properly, you can generally beat the cutting performance of even a highly experienced person using a grinder to sharpen chain (and you are WAY better off than trusting your chain to some hardware store flunky who had all of 15 minutes of training on operating their chain grinder.)

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Agreed on both accounts. Dragging a file across the chain and actually making one sharp are 2 completely different things. There’s virtually no guys that are just cutting a little firewood a few weekends a year that can do it. I also agree about the hardware store sharpening job. You’d probably be better off throwing your chain away or putting it on backwards and cutting a rock. In their defense. In their defense you need something that’s in good shape to sharpen and most chains hanging on the hardware store sharpening wall aren’t.
 
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What do you use for file guides?
 
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Fire up the flame throwers!

I like the Timberline chain sharpener bought from Bailey's.

More expensive than a hand file...but has paid for itself over time.

Mount the jig...align the cutting teeth...crank away...

Some others may claim to do better...although it maintains consistent cutting teeth angles, can be used easily in the woods when needed, and works well for me.

...Way sharper than freehanding or sending a chain out...
 
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What do you use for file guides?

I have started using the Pfred tool...about $35-40 IIRC. It seems to work OK but I am certainly no expert. I like that it does the tooth and raker at the same time. I do not use a saw enough to justify spending much more...but I likely am too ignorant to know.
 
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Because one Stihl saw wont hold up like a Husky........

Well lets see, My oldest one an MS 260 I've had since I think the 90s, still my favorite saw and going gangbusters. Have not had a Stihl fail yet (I have 3) , never had a Husky so I personally can not compare. My little top handle Echo is almost as old as that Stihl and going strong still also.
 
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