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I posted a situation in the New to grid tend solar section about having no solar power when our power was shut off last Thursday, the third, and am trying to find a way to not just lose a days production. A utility worker I asked said that the solar needs a.c. power to make it work like an exciter I guess. He said that if you have a battery system like the Tesla power wall or just use a portable generator properly wired into the system it would work. I have a new old stock 6000 watt gen.set that I plan to have set up as soon as the local electricians can catch up but am wondering how this can work. How can it handle the excess electricity without sending it back to the grid and possibly killing a line man. Following your adventures I think you or David are the only people I know of that can explain this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jim

Jim I’ll try.
Solar Electric systems tend to be either 1. off grid (no grid available), 2. grid tied (solar augments grid but no standalone/backup), 3. hybrid (grid tied but with batteries to provide backup)

Guessing you have #2. I have #1, RNG #3.
My understanding is #2 must have ac power. Whether that can be be by passed with a generator I don’t know for sure, but suspect
 
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   / Good morning!!!! #123,073  
I posted a situation in the New to grid tend solar section about having no solar power when our power was shut off last Thursday, the third, and am trying to find a way to not just lose a days production. A utility worker I asked said that the solar needs a.c. power to make it work like an exciter I guess. He said that if you have a battery system like the Tesla power wall or just use a portable generator properly wired into the system it would work. I have a new old stock 6000 watt gen.set that I plan to have set up as soon as the local electricians can catch up but am wondering how this can work. How can it handle the excess electricity without sending it back to the grid and possibly killing a line man. Following your adventures I think you or David are the only people I know of that can explain this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'll defer to David, other than to explain how my system works, as he has far more experience than I do.

The system here is battery based, designed to operate independent of the grid. Power collected from the sun by the solar panels is DC electricity, and goes to charge a battery bank via a pair of charge controllers. When I use AC electricity, the battery bank is tapped by inverters that convert the DC in the battery bank to AC that powers all of the loads in the home. But since I still retain a grid connection, once the batteries are fully charged, any solar power left over is also converted to AC and sold back to the power company. When the grid goes down here, I depend on the battery to keep things going when the sun goes down. My battery bank isn't very large, it was sized so it would last for a couple of hours powering my well pumps so I could fight a wildfire. As such, I try to get as much of my electrically intensive activities done during the day as possible. During this past summer's fires, the smoke was often so thick that very little sunlight was reaching the panels. That meant that the batteries weren't being fully recharged, and when the voltage level fell low enough, the system started the generator to bring them back up to full charge. At that point, it turned the generator off. Since all the household loads are powered by the battery, there were no power interruptions as the source of energy for battery recharging switched from the sun to the generator. Indeed, when the grid is being used to power household loads, which is most of the night, I don't notice any flickering lights when the charging source changes.

In a typical grid tied system, there is no battery bank. There are still solar panels and inverters, but my understanding is that the inverters commonly in use, for reasons I don't understand, aren't capable of supplying household loads directly unless they are connected to the grid. A few years ago, some manufacturers started offering inverters that could supply small loads via a couple AC outlets, but these were intended for such things as charging cell phones and the like, and aren't up to running large inductive loads like washing machines and air conditioners. I suspect, but don't know for a fact, that switching household loads from grid to solar to generator power directly is something not easily accomplished. At some point, power from one source would have to be stopped, creating a power outage, before power could start flowing from an alternate source. Last year, before my solar power system was installed, I had to break the connection with the grid before I could start the generator. Every time I went through that, everything in the house that wasn't on a UPS was turned off. Modern electronics really don't like that, so I have a large number of UPS units installed now. It was better than not having any electricity at all, but it was still a major inconvenience, as well as a continual reminder that the grid is something that I can no longer depend on for my energy needs.

Technology evolves rapidly, and things may have changed, especially after all of the hurricane and fire induced grid outages of the past few years. I suggest you call a few solar energy installers and ask them if a batteryless system can be built that does not need the grid.
 
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OK, let me try to recreate my answer for Jim

My understanding is #2 must have ac power. Whether that can be be by passed with a generator I don’t know for sure, but suspect a generator would be set up with a transfer switch to protect against backfeed. So I don’t think you inverters would be powered unless wired for that case. I have gridtied neighbors that when grid goes down, no power. Upgrading to battery backup is often a challenge as the inverters are compatible. The Tesla Powerwall is AC based and the DC version never released last I checked.

RNG and I have basically the same system, except I don’t have grid. Our PV charges batteries via charge controller which in turn power the inverters. Via software they can accept AC in or not. AC in either grid or generator powers the charger side of our inverters. Basically should the power company run a line I could simply make the connection and change my settings. Likewise, should RNG lose his grid, he would just adjust settings.

Good luck with yours and hope this helps.
 
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Guess we were composing same time

Good answer, RNG.
We also do energy intensive during sunshine as much as possible as excess energy from charging goes to task.
 
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Anybody have any experiences with Symmons shower fixtures and faucets ?

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Woman picked up some Archway Oatmeal Raisins last time she hit the store.
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Archway, there’s a brand I haven’t bought in ages that mom used to buy. I like the chocolate ones.
 
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Our favourite wood for burning is Ironbark as it burns very hot. However, we have no fireplace as it is not required where we live. We use a reverse cycle air-con if it gets down to about 60 deg F. That is chilly here.

I was looking up your locale, and I saw that there is a "Texas" Queensland. Do you head to the beach/ocean much?

Google Maps
 
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I can see a fresh piston not having much compression, especially if there's only one ring. BMW is somewhat notorious for supplying rings with big end gaps, so I don't think that would cause the problem you're seeing.

But I miss Mom's almond balls dusted in powdered sugar the most, especially the ones with a candied cherry in the middle.

Thanks to the contractor's guidance, the work on the new solar panels went smoothly and so far it looks like the array is making about 20% more power. Still selling back to the grid more than I use, which is nice considering we're closing in on the shortest day of the year.

Mostly and RNG, I'm hoping (because it was a 1 ring piston), that the correct stuff will bring up the compression to where it starts and runs proper.

RNG, those almond ball cookies sound good....maybe with some Amaretto Di Saronno in the candied cherries.
 

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