Furnace making funny noise

/ Furnace making funny noise #21  
You should. Being you're in Michigan, to make a run of it you probably should know a thing or two about hydronics, perhaps oil along with maybe coal? Let's not forget about mini splits. Then get a van, make sure you have insurance, most likely need at least 5k-10K in decent tools, have the proper licences, and just wait for that phone to ring because you can offer everything at the lowest price and everyone knows it.

I'm sorry, I understand that people think that HVAC is where the money is at because of pricing, but the reality is if you understand your overhead and what it actually costs to run a business, added the fact that you're the one driving to the customer instead of the customer coming to you, people that know their chit that want to stay in business for the long haul are not the cheapest price in town.

THEN you get the interesting customers who wonder why you charge $80-$100 for a service call to diagnois the issue because you're the expert :laughing:

You can always get a weekend warrior that works full time and does it on the side, but when you need something done, see how reliable he is getting out to your place. Roll of the dice at best.

I get it. Everyone here can do everything themselves. That's great. The reality is those that can do it all themselves are in the minority, not the majority.

By the way, there is no way in hades you can buy a Payne variable speed constant fan blower motor (under warranty) along with a combustion fan motor (generally sold with the complete housing assembley) for less than $600 alone (less the labor). With that blower motor, you also better have the wiring schematic.

You might go cheaper going aftermarket parts if you could find something that would work, but with 3 years left on the factory warranty, if those aftermarket parts failed within that time, you as the contractor are eating it.

Like I said, I'll save the funds and do it myself. Bad enough farming. Don't need to be in someone's basement working on a neglected furnace in the middle of a snowstorm thank you.

I find the cost of a specialized contractor (in this case a HVAC tech, a bit steep) and if I do it myself and it breaks, oh well, I get to do it again. Such is life.
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #22  
Here the el cheapo solution I try when looking to find cheaper replacement. most motors fail from bearings not lubed. I take my tiniest diamond ball cutter and make tiny hole in the sealed bearing cover. Then I inject some lube like mobil one and seal with silicone. Had motor then last years with replacement still sitting in the box waiting.
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #23  
Like I said, I'll save the funds and do it myself. Bad enough farming. Don't need to be in someone's basement working on a neglected furnace in the middle of a snowstorm thank you.

I find the cost of a specialized contractor (in this case a HVAC tech, a bit steep) and if I do it myself and it breaks, oh well, I get to do it again. Such is life.

I apologize if I came across as a prick. I completely understand your position, and agree with you, that if you have the know how to do it, do it. I admire people who have skill levels that can do a variety of things (and a lot of people here on this forum are very self sufficient). For myself, when it comes to putting wood together, lets just say you don't want a hammer or saw in my hands.

Thing is with HVAC, a good service tech or even good installer can start off around $20 an hour (like any trade, sometimes the working conditions aren't the greatest). You get an outstanding service guy who gets along with customers (not always the norm) and that guy decides (at least in NC) to go after his license because he wants to make a living on his own and become his own boss because he sees how much money a successful business can seem to make.

After that tech gets his license, gets a van, pays his insurance and perhaps brings someone in to help on installations, the new owner is generally the salesman, the service tech, the lead installer, the accountant, the secretary and the shop keeper. Guy just starting out his business wants work, so he generally will sell on price when he gets the call because he thinks he doesn't have any overhead (even 2 man shows can run 15-20% on overhead without even knowing it) because he works out of his house, his van may be paid off and other than what he pays other people (perhaps even part time employees), he thinks he's making money. Generally the new business starting out doesn't have time or believe running a monthly P&L is worth it, so he has his accountant do it at the end of the year for taxes.

Thing is, and this is a fact that you may find hard to believe, the average HVAC company makes about a 2% net profit after all is said and done at the end of the year. That great service tech who was making $25 an hour, is now making $23 an hour after all is said and done now that he owns his own business, added the fact that he's working longer hours and has 10 times the headache running his own business (and the headaches can seem to multiply with more people he brings in to work).

Like any line of work, you have good people and bad people out there. Generally it's the guys who work full time for a contractor who do side work that make "easy money" because they do jobs for friends on the weekends, and because he's not running his own company or pays any insurance, it's about as "pure profit" as you're going to get when you get paid. Problem there is because he has no overhead, he might put in the blower motor for half the price a HVAC company will quote the work to do, and because he can do it so cheap, people think the HVAC company is ripping them off. Only issue is if that "part time gue" does it, if for whatever reason the customer has a problem, the question is how soon can the guy get back out there to repair the work?

All that said, even if you are running a somewhat successfull business in the HVAC industry, you still have the general public to deal with. I can assure you, there are some real interesting people out there when you show up at thier home to quote work for. Biggest reason why I like my own job is because I don't generally deal with the public LOL
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #24  
This furnace talk confuses me. I put in a Luxaire LPG forced air unit in late '98. Bought it and then duct work at a local supplier, installed everything myself. Never inspected, tested, or even seen by a tech. Works fine for me. $800 for a blower motor? Not happening when the whole dang furnace only cost me $700.


By the way, how ya' doin' OP? Ever figure out you noise issue?
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #25  
This furnace talk confuses me. I put in a Luxaire LPG forced air unit in late '98. Bought it and then duct work at a local supplier, installed everything myself. Never inspected, tested, or even seen by a tech. Works fine for me. $800 for a blower motor? Not happening when the whole dang furnace only cost me $700.

OEM parts due to the nature of business costs more than aftermarket general replacement parts. That blower motor is still under warranty, so the OP isn't paying for the motor, but labor (no matter what the cost, the part is "free" because it's still under warranty).

Lets say the gas furnace isn't under warranty. How much do you think an aftermarket VS constant airflow motor costs? You're going to be in for a sticker shock.

News flash, todays HVAC equipment is getting past being over engineered, not because of the manufacturers, but because of regulations per ratings and efficencies set forth by the government. General rule of thumb, two identical products that accomplish the same thing (lets say either heating or air conditioning) one has 50 parts in it and the other has 75 parts in it. Guess which unit runs the bigger chance of having more issues with parts over time?

As I mentioned before, a PSC motor is more "immune" to static pressure issues vs a VS constant airflow motor, yet it is now illegal for a manufacturer to install a PSC motor in their gas furnaces. Go figure...
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #26  
This furnace talk confuses me. I put in a Luxaire LPG forced air unit in late '98. Bought it and then duct work at a local supplier, installed everything myself. Never inspected, tested, or even seen by a tech. Works fine for me. $800 for a blower motor? Not happening when the whole dang furnace only cost me $700.


By the way, how ya' doin' OP? Ever figure out you noise issue?

If your furnace has been in that long without an inspection. I would at the least have the heat exchanger inspected.
Propane burns hotter than NG and I always found that they usually burned out much quicker than a furnace using NG

The heat exchangers are the same for propane furnaces and NG furnaces
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #27  
you're getting ripped big time if he wants $800 for a fan motor, the video has no audio, but it has to be a worn fan motor, that's the only thing that moves!..
NOTE to self you SEE he lives in CANADA where prices are higher than USA ??
 
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#29  
Hi, guys, problem solved! (I think.)

I finally got a dealer expert to tell me what the problems is, and here is what he said:

"It痴 a piece of foil tape buzzing, he just needs to run his hands around all the taped seams to track it down."

LOL!
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #31  
Hi, guys, problem solved! (I think.)

I finally got a dealer expert to tell me what the problems is, and here is what he said:

"It痴 a piece of foil tape buzzing, he just needs to run his hands around all the taped seams to track it down."

LOL!

I read that and almost sprayed my drink all over my screen... this forum really needs a coffee-spewing emoji! :laughing:
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #32  
We have three Lennox propane furnaces, installed about 15-20 years ago. Only problem I've ever had was the condensation pump (it's like a shoebox sized sump pump) if it's real cold, like zero or below the discharge hose would freeze going outside.
One day I fixed that problem using small (1/4" I think) copper tubing about a foot long. Outside I drilled a hole bottom of PVC plastic exhaust pipe, hole tilted up. Copper pipe through then hose on it. J B Weld around hole. When furnaces run, exhaust heats copper so it can't freeze.
We used to have oil furnaces, constant maintenance. Once I remember I had transformer door open, checking for high voltage with screwdriver! Across tabs. Fuel ignited blew me across room. I looked in mirror, wife said I looked like Al Jolson. To this day my eyebrows haven't completely grown back.
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #34  
The time to find out if a furnace utilizes $800 fan motors (sometimes more than one), is before you buy it.

Seems no one ever asks the right questions anymore and don't know what they are buying and then are "SHOCKED".

Those quiet to ramp up, computer controlled motors are going to be much more expensive than the original purchase price. Had a long talk with a service technician once about the unnecesary and expensive furnaces his industry pedals.
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #35  
The time to find out if a furnace utilizes $800 fan motors (sometimes more than one), is before you buy it.

Seems no one ever asks the right questions anymore and don't know what they are buying and then are "SHOCKED".

Those quiet to ramp up, computer controlled motors are going to be much more expensive than the original purchase price. Had a long talk with a service technician once about the unnecesary and expensive furnaces his industry pedals.

Up to a 5 ton blower fan motor in single phase, please let me know what furnace uses two blower motors, please:D Perhaps a blower motor and inducer motor, or two pressue switches, but never came across anything in a long time with two blower motors unless the furnace was twinned (with another gas furnace) for a light commercial application.

If you read the thread, the motor is under warranty, and it's "free", the OP only had to pay labor.

When your hvac system is past it's parts warranty, it's time to at least get a quote on a new system with new warranty depending on what's wrong, particularly when it's pertaining to refrigerant issues.
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #36  
I don't know. The NG furnace on site (security customer of mine) where I spoke with the tech did. Guy said his outfit pushed these expensive (and more expensive to repair) furnaces as a matter of profit.
Maybe fan for air circulation (for sure) and the other for combustion air or exhaust. Nothing needs to be computer controlled, but they are. Sort of like a modern Diesel engine. lol

AND just to add insult to injury, this was a dozen years ago, furnace was out of order for months, waiting for parts.
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #37  
Hi, Folks, I need to identify a noise that my high efficiency propane furnace is making, and I am hoping some of you have heard this before. The supposedly experienced service guy could not tell what it was, and so he just "guessed" it was the ($800!) fan motor.

It is a Payne Model PG96VAT48080 furnace, installed in August of 2013, and has worked fine up until now. But just recently, every once in a while there would be this strange kind of buzzing/honing sound when the fan was going full blast (e.g, on AC).

Here is a video link:

IMG 1884 - YouTube

It is very intermittent, and seems to only come on when the fan is on high.

Any ideas, my fellow TBNers?

James

Can't help with yours, but our heat pump fan was making a strange noise once. Turned out it was a dead snaked body hanging from one side of the fan. The fan was hitting it periodically and making a rattling noise.

Wife found some more snake skins in the encapsulated space now. She put out some glue traps to catch the snakes so we can take them out a release them with some vegetable oil.

Ralph
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #38  
Thank you for your kind spirit to the critters!
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #39  
I don't know. The NG furnace on site (security customer of mine) where I spoke with the tech did. Guy said his outfit pushed these expensive (and more expensive to repair) furnaces as a matter of profit.
Maybe fan for air circulation (for sure) and the other for combustion air or exhaust. Nothing needs to be computer controlled, but they are. Sort of like a modern Diesel engine. lol

AND just to add insult to injury, this was a dozen years ago, furnace was out of order for months, waiting for parts.

If you make a statement, and someone asks you to verify that statement as fact, don't say "I don't know":D I don't know of any furnace that has two blower motors in it and I would like to know who makes such a creature (two blower motors means two blower wheels, and no residential furnace is made to my knowlege more than 24-1/2" wide) as I don't know of any.

The issue with manufacuered bower motors is the control module ("brains" of the motor which could be sold seperately) could or not be sold with the actual motor.

The reality is if the part is under warranty, you don't pay for the part.

For better or worse, HVAC systems are becoming more like cars where the tech needs a diagnostic tool to determine the actual issue. When a guys shows up to your house with 10k in the proper equipment to diagnose your actual issue, get ready to pay. Unlike driving your car to the dealership in town who may be cheaper than a dealer (your time and gas to get to the car dealership) the reality a business (HVAC) now has to spend time and gas to get to your house to determine what the actual issue is.

I'd like to know of any HVAC company who will do time/gas/diagnostic who will do it for free if you determine they are the right company that you decide to do the work.
 
/ Furnace making funny noise #40  
Do you want me to go to the premise in question and ask about their furnace? It's actually not that far from here. I have no reason to believe the tech I spoke with was trying to mislead me as to the number of speed controlled blowers on a natural gas furnace. He even aluded to the fact that these were simple cheap motors, modified to be speed controlled, but I didn't know enough to mention that. I have a pretty good memory when it comes to conversations that interest me.
 

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