kubota or mahindra

[AchingBack]

I own a Kubota Grand L with cab which is great tractor to date. I also own a Mahindra basic no frill tractor but there is nothing crude about it. It works great and has for many years. As a matter of fact, the the FEL joystick is smoother on the 田rude Mahindra than the Kubota that I paid much more for.

Indeed, the 2615 is top notch, as all of the old 15, and 16 series are. For years the same tractor was sold by Cub Cadet. Mitsubishi built are extremely reliable, simple to operate, built stronger than most in its class.

 

[hks003]

From Mahindra's website:

For the financial year ended March 31, 2019 (F-19), the total tractor sales (domestic + exports) were at*3,30,436*units as against*3,19,623*units in F-18. The domestic sales in F-19 were at*3,16,742*units, as against*3,04,019*units for the same period last year.

So, of 330,436 sales, 316,742 were in India. That leaves roughly 14,000 for the rest of the world.

Kubota seems to report everything in monetary and percentage terms, but I'd venture to say they sell more than 14,000 tractors a year just in the US. Like someone said above, when a country of 1.3B people buy 316k machines, that's a ratio of 79/325,000. That means 85k machines need to be sold in the US for that ratio to hold true, and that's simply not happening with Mahindra. They obviously have a monopoly in India, most likely due to their cheaper cost and availability in their local market.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Well, I don't buy anything new. I couldn't find a used mahindra when I bought my MX5100 HST and I couldn't find a 100 hp Mahindra when I bought my McCormick.

You can find a many kubotas for sale, cheap on every street corner around here.. Seems people buy them, put 200-300 hrs on them then, get rid them. There are several newly used low HR M90-M105 kubotas around here for sale. I chose a McCormick over these so called quality kubotas


The poor OP can't even get an honest question answered due to Orange Kool -Aid drinkers such as yourself.

Remember.. Mahindra is the best selling tractor in the WORLD ! Not your kubota. I know it's hard,but try to Let that sink in

A use mahindra is difficult to locate around here

Yeah... IN THE THIRD WORLD...:laughing:

 

[Industrial Toys]

If you told me that more peoplecook their evening meal by burning dung, than use an Electric range, I don't think that would make me want to change my lifestyle anytime soon. lol

 

[buck12]

Nobody cares what the number one selling tractor in the world is. Considering the majority of it is India that痴 really taking it out of context to make them appear better. There痴 more tractors in India than anywhere else and quality wasn稚 the priority. It should be easy to locate a used one if there are so many.. Your loader comment I wouldn稚 accuse the guy of being a liar but his experience definitely isn稚 the norm. You can trash them all you want but there痴 no Mahindra on the same level as a Kubota GrandL. The lesser L series, the M series and the older ones aren稚 the same thing as a GrandL so don稚 bother making that comparison.

I didn’t say my Mahindra is on the same level as my Kubota Grand L but the little Mahindra has been a great tractor and is no way crude. I just don’t understand bashing a particular brand. If someone is happy with their tractor regardless of brand who cares. Happy tractoring.

 

[buck12]

Indeed, the 2615 is top notch, as all of the old 15, and 16 series are. For years the same tractor was sold by Cub Cadet. Mitsubishi built are extremely reliable, simple to operate, built stronger than most in its class.

Indeed they are fine tractors and in no way crude.

 

[4570Man]

I didn’t say my Mahindra is on the same level as my Kubota Grand L but the little Mahindra has been a great tractor and is no way crude. I just don’t understand bashing a particular brand. If someone is happy with their tractor regardless of brand who cares. Happy tractoring.

Well that was the point of the thread. Kubota Grand L vs Mahindra.

 

[fried1765]

Their Evil plan would be revealed if they gave a discount. So I guess they forgo those few cash sales they might loose. I bought a battery in a very comptitive marketplace and then at the end of the day, the guy didn't care that I put it on CC. Makes no sense financially. I ALMOST felt like asking for a cash discount if the three or whatever percent didn't matter to him. An asian business person, I found tends to be more astute in that regard.

I get a 2% discount on EVERYTHING I buy with a credit card.
Except ......5% on gas, groceries, and drug store purchases.
I NEVER pay cash!

 

[desertdog71]

This is the place Mahindra sells all their units. Like I said before, I'm not hip on anything made in India.

 

[kthompson]

I have owned a Case about 44 hp, I currently own a M6800 Kubota, a Kubota B2710 and a JD 5525. Never had any issue with the Case in the3 or 4 years owned it. No issue with the B2710 in the 10 plus years have owned it. The almost 5 years of the JD have had to replace a low temp sensor cost less than $100. Brake lights not working, think brake switch. Will take care of when have time. The Kubota M6800, transmission issue twice with one gear failure and one bearing failure. The bearing failure was probably due to low hyd oil due to leak on an implement. I would buy each one again if had same needs I did when I bought those.

My concern with Mahrinda is very simple, none of their dealerships have lasted three years in my general area. No doubt there are some out there who are a few years old.
On JD have no idea on that size tractor but my 5525 is a solid tractor.

One piece of advice will give any one. Buy the tractor you like and it will give you great service for you will not nickpick it and will be willing to tolerant small issues.

 

[s219]

So, of 330,436 sales, 316,742 were in India. That leaves roughly 14,000 for the rest of the world.

Holy cow, I had no idea it was that skewed towards India -- that market is 95.8% of their sales. And 14,000 for the rest of the world is peanuts.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I want to support people trying to better their lives. On the OTHER hand, I like buying stuff made by people quite like me and sharing similar values and life style. Also, supporting my society.

 

[arrow]

It is worth it to them. It was to us.
rScotty

I am curious to know how it was "worth it". I'm not trying to be difficult here but if I'm missing something, I'd like to know. The mere offering can lead people to buying the wrong product whether it's the Mahindra or the Kubota if they are looking at this financing ruse first.
You still have a monthly payment and you're paying a finance charge anyway. It simply doesn't look that way as they plopped the financing onto the purchase price.. To me, any financing allows one to "keep their money". If indeed you are considering that as an advantage, I would rather have the option of paying a reduced amount for the product and getting my own financing (or even use theirs if competitive) at a reduced rate and not be involved with this kind of sneakiness in the least.
With "0"%, manufacturers can tack on any amount they want to their msrp if they want a 6,7or 8% return on their financing investment when the buyer could have gotten 3,4 or 5% on a real loan.. They can get so tricky with numbers as to actually make it look like 0% is an advantage. The kicker is one will never know exactly what percentage they are paying on with 0%. In no way is it "0" in any fashion and many times, the buyer is paying more in the long run with 0% than with a reduced real percentage.

For me right now, when I see or hear "and we are now offering 0"% on your purchase", it's the same as someone offering me a lick of their lollypop and they have ebola.

 

[desertdog71]

0% means knock 7-8% off that price and get your own financing.

 

[coobie]

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This is the place Mahindra sells all their units. Like I said before, I'm not hip on anything made in India.

Where are all of the corn & soybean fields ??

 

[paulfun9]

If price and availability was equal how many US Mahindra owners would have bought a Kubota Grand instead? My guess pretty much all of them. I don稚 think anyone needs convincing which is better. Price has a lot to do with decision making.

Yes price will most likely be a factor.

So the question becomes does Kubota offer more for the money? From my experience they did not!
I would guess that just like many of the people I know that used to bleed green many who would normally be uniformed in the past and not know there is an alternative, now can get on the internet and find a competent machine at a lower cost and be fairly confident in thier decision. Key words here are fairly competent as based on my previous ownership of kubota my confidence in the brand is no more or less than other brands on the market today.
I say other brands mainly because the limited knowledge of Mahindra from those I know would have me not as confident in mahindra as I am with Kioti, LS, Massey.
Would I choose a Mahindra over a kubota?
I would have to say if buying new I probably would consider a TYM or Mitsubishi built Mahindra over a kubota as I don稚 see the value in paying more for the kubota.
I am also in a position to buy one any day I feel like it and have no cap on the amount I could spend so it痴 not due to cost as most want to promote but rather, is the value to justify the extra money there?

With these thoughts I had looked at some Mahindra tractors at a dealership who had prices higher than the Deere and Kubota dealers local to them and people were still buying tractors from them. One dealership at the time had them sitting side by side in the same show room and still sold many. So please explain why some folks paid more?

 

[nards444]

Yes price will most likely be a factor.

So the question becomes does Kubota offer more for the money? From my experience they did not!
I would guess that just like many of the people I know that used to bleed green many who would normally be uniformed in the past and not know there is an alternative, now can get on the internet and find a competent machine at a lower cost and be fairly confident in thier decision. Key words here are fairly competent as based on my previous ownership of kubota my confidence in the brand is no more or less than other brands on the market today.
I say other brands mainly because the limited knowledge of Mahindra from those I know would have me not as confident in mahindra as I am with Kioti, LS, Massey.
Would I choose a Mahindra over a kubota?
I would have to say if buying new I probably would consider a TYM or Mitsubishi built Mahindra over a kubota as I don稚 see the value in paying more for the kubota.
I am also in a position to buy one any day I feel like it and have no cap on the amount I could spend so itç—´ not due to cost as most want to promote but rather, is the value to justify the extra money there?

With these thoughts I had looked at some Mahindra tractors at a dealership who had prices higher than the Deere and Kubota dealers local to them and people were still buying tractors from them. One dealership at the time had them sitting side by side in the same show room and still sold many. So please explain why some folks paid more?

Thing is your still using money as a factor eventhough you say money is not an issue. If you go the question he asked if price was the same what would people buy? My guess is he is right in his analysis.

 

[rScotty]

I am curious to know how it was "worth it". I'm not trying to be difficult here but if I'm missing something, I'd like to know. The mere offering can lead people to buying the wrong product whether it's the Mahindra or the Kubota if they are looking at this financing ruse first.
You still have a monthly payment and you're paying a finance charge anyway. It simply doesn't look that way as they plopped the financing onto the purchase price.. To me, any financing allows one to "keep their money". If indeed you are considering that as an advantage, I would rather have the option of paying a reduced amount for the product and getting my own financing (or even use theirs if competitive) at a reduced rate and not be involved with this kind of sneakiness in the least.
With "0"%, manufacturers can tack on any amount they want to their msrp if they want a 6,7or 8% return on their financing investment when the buyer could have gotten 3,4 or 5% on a real loan.. They can get so tricky with numbers as to actually make it look like 0% is an advantage. The kicker is one will never know exactly what percentage they are paying on with 0%. In no way is it "0" in any fashion and many times, the buyer is paying more in the long run with 0% than with a reduced real percentage.

For me right now, when I see or hear "and we are now offering 0"% on your purchase", it's the same as someone offering me a lick of their lollypop and they have ebola.

OK. And thank you for asking. The thing about interest is that it is a two way street.

I admit that I was more than surprised - kinda floored - when the dealer and I had agreed on a tractor and a price but then when I offered to pay cash he wouldn't give me a discount.

In fact, the dealer not wanting to deal with us put me off so much that I took another few weeks before closing the deal just to see if he would budge. But he wouldn't. Then I got stubborn myself because buying a new tractor was a huge big deal in our lives....my wife had been trying to get me to get a nice new tractor for years... and here that dealer had gone and taken all the fun out of the bargaining that I had been looking forward to doing.

One day common sense took over & I began to get worried that someone else would buy "our tractor", so I went down and closed the deal.

I told the dealer why I had been stubborn and he said that cash or 0% was all the same to him since if I financed all he had to do was fax the paperwork to Kubota and he would get a check back from them in 24 hours. So why should he discount?

OK, that made sense to me. So what I did was first make sure that the price was complete.
It was; he showed me that we simply divide by 60 to come up with the monthly payment for a 5 year 0% note. I signed the loan and he delivered our new tractor a day later.

The next week I went over to the downtown outlet for a well known on-line broker and with the cash I had offered the dealer I opened up an account for the price of the tractor. That acccount came with a free checking account and checks. I kept back 20% of the cash, and invested the rest on the spot into buying stock shares in four very conservative mutual funds that were expected to grow in value while paying dividends: One financial, one manufacturing, one hi-tech, and one bonds. The rest of the cash I held back to make the first year payments.

My plan was that once a year - usually in December - I would sell just enough stocks back to the broker to make the next years payments. I was pretty nervous about all this, but hey ... at this point I have a tractor and still have control of my original money.
All the dealer has to show for his once new tractor is a piece of paper with a promise to pay if I can. The only collateral he really has is a tractor which lives on my land which I get to use every day. The dealer is left with a piece of paper plus watching the collateral for his loan get older and weatherbeaten as I use it. So it looks to me like I'm doing OK.

Then it all screwed up. All this happened in 2007 .....just a couple of months BEFORE the stock market dropped in that huge 2007/2008 dip. My cleverly thought out tractor account suddenly lost 30% of it's value overnight. I thought I had made a big mistake and was going to end up paying 30% more for the tractor than if I had paid cash..., but decided to say with the plan....mostly because I was so shocked that I didn't know what else to do.

Well, you know the rest. All my life when I do these kind of things it ends up costing me money. But that time the market came roaring back like it never had before. The cash I first held back made the payments the first year when the stock was worthless... so nothing got sold at a loss. Then when it came time to sell for the next year the price was already looking good.
In the end, the account ended up paying for the tractor plus a little. I kept the account. After 8 years it had grown to be worth almost as much as the tractor cost.

The funny thing is that I don't do that kind of investing thing before. And I never would have done it if I hadn't been so disappointed that the dealer wouldn't give me a discount for cash. What I really wanted was a few thousand off the purchase price, or for him to throw in some "goodies". But he wouldn't.
rScotty

 

[kenmac]

0% means knock 7-8% off that price and get your own financing.

nope. it's the same price except for the $300-$400.fee they charge. Then, they also require the insurance. so, if you deduct the 300-400 fee and the insurance. you save paying cash on a kubota

 

[desertdog71]

That wasn't my experience at all but I didn't buy Kubota. 3 dealers, 3 different prices for Kubota and they were a good $4K apart. Leads me to believe that there is a lot more room in their prices than some dealers let on.