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   / So sad #21  
I think you are spot on but many people won't hear of it. I have good friends, unfortunately religeous in nature that think they can do as they please to the earth as they have dominion and think creating as many children as possible is the right thing to do. Funny if you think. For that kind of thinking and actions might just result in the HELLISH end they fear so much.
 
   / So sad #22  
^^^^
A lot of it also is political... it's always amazed me that the same things which are purported to be the cause of climate change, global warming, or whatever else you want to call it (weather) are things which a certain sect of people have been screaming about for years. Meanwhile there really are simple things which could be done if changes do need to be made; how many times have you driven down the main artery through town and hit every light red? Think of all of the gas we could save and pollution we could reduce if you only hit one or none of those? Simply changing from black to a light colored roof would reflect a lot of sunlight instead of absorbing it. IF people really were concerned about the environment rather than pushing their own social agenda, they would be proposing less controversial change, rather than saying "Sacrifices must be made... starting with that guy over there."
 
   / So sad #23  
I often wonder if we are the new species of dinosaurs. One thing for sure is that there is a price for living our modern life style and I seriously doubt the celebutards and politicians who yell the loudest are willing to give up any of their comforts. If they would then most of the rest of us, who live a much more moderate lifestyle, would need to give up ours.
 
   / So sad #24  
Seems like there's a lot of people (and 'bots) obsessed with trying to say it's NOT caused by climate change too.

Police contradict claims spread online exaggerating arson's role in Australian bushfires | Australia news | The Guardian

Bots and trolls spread false arson claims in Australian fires 遘殃sinformation campaign | Australia news | The Guardian

"鏑ooking at the kinds of accounts that post using the #ArsonEmergency hashtag, you see that these are individuals who are hyper-partisan ideologues, behaving in a way that is not reflective of the average Twitter user.
The conspiracy theories going around (including arson as the main cause of the fires) reflect an increased distrust in scientific expertise, skepticism of the media, and rejection of liberal democratic authority. These are all major factors in the global fight against disinformation, and based on my preliminary analysis it appears that Australia has for better or worse entered that battlefield, at least for now.
"Donald Trump Jr was among those who retweeted misleading figures published by News Corp."

Mate, both of your links are from "The Guardian". That 'publication' has a pro-"Climate Emergency" agenda.

These bushfires are primarily a result of a lack of back-burning to reduce the fuel-load of the forests which are predominately, throughout Australia, made up of eucalyptus trees. The lack of backburning has been a result of environmental groups protesting about many things but all related to 'letting the forests return to nature... think of the critters'. State forests, reserve forests and National parks have been closed off to backburning (reducing the fuel load) and a subsequent reduction in Park Rangers & their firefighting personnel. The forests have been a 'powder keg', just waiting to go off.

80% of these fires have been touched off by human activity. Of that 80%, at least 50% have been by fire-bugs (arsonists). Almost 190 of those fire-bugs have been caught and charged so far this bushfire season. [One has been caught and charged, here at the Fingal fire... a couple more are suspected = investigations are continuing]. 'Dry lightning' strikes are the predominate causes of the natural fires.

The terrain where these fires are burning un-controlled is largely inaccessible from the ground.

This situation is not due to climate change... it is due to mismanagement (lack of reduction of the fuel load). The various firefighting organisations have wanted to burn, in a controlled manner, the fuel load (a portion per year/season/opportunity. They have been prevented from doing so.

I live here.

That quote that you provided is so biased and so 'left leaning' that my monitor almost fell off my desk.
 
   / So sad #25  
The world needs more condoms
 
   / So sad #26  
Many people in communities insist that there is a four way stop at every intersection to protect their precious children.
 
   / So sad #27  
These same tree huggers cry about vehicle pollution but never say a word when a forest fire produces more carbon then every vehicle ever built.

A forest fire doesn't "produce" carbon, it quickly releases it when trees burn. All living things have carbon. People, trees, grass, animals, have carbon and when we die, it will slowly be released as we rot. If you burn the living things, the carbon gets released quickly. Peat bogs and frozen tundra will release tons of carbon once it thaws out, as well as releasing methane. Burning fossil fuels ADDS to the carbon on the planet because it is buried and not in the ecosystem yet. We dig it out and burn it....this adds to the normal amount of carbon on the face of the earth.
 
   / So sad #28  
I think you are spot on but many people won't hear of it. I have good friends, unfortunately religeous in nature that think they can do as they please to the earth as they have dominion and think creating as many children as possible is the right thing to do. Funny if you think. For that kind of thinking and actions might just result in the HELLISH end they fear so much.

God has given us dominion over all things. HOWEVER, if those religious folks stop there they have taken it out of context. God has also charged us to be good stewards of what He has given us and we don't seem to be doing very well. I agree with your last line.


I often wonder if we are the new species of dinosaurs. One thing for sure is that there is a price for living our modern life style and I seriously doubt the celebutards and politicians who yell the loudest are willing to give up any of their comforts. If they would then most of the rest of us, who live a much more moderate lifestyle, would need to give up ours.

This is the saying "Do as I say and not as I do". The leaders are the ones who set the example. People follow the example set, not necessarily what they're told.
 
   / So sad #29  
It's a cop out in a way. I bet these people figure, hey if things are going south, our CHURCH leaders would have told us to change course, but didn't so our behavior must be alright. And the CHURCH is more and more striving for lieniency in all areas to maintain as many members and as much power as possible.
 
   / So sad #31  
the World needed them Decades ago, but nobody cared, now, we have way too many people, a good war might be needed to fix things, by reducing the population!..


We should have the anti gun group fight th pro gun group...
 
   / So sad #32  
We should have the anti gun group fight th pro gun group...

:eek:

the World needed them Decades ago, but nobody cared, now, we have way too many people, a good war might be needed to fix things, by reducing the population!..
Watch what you wish for, it might just come true. At the end of the day wars are always about real estate...
 
   / So sad #33  
I'm thinking it will be something very small that kills many humans, like a virus or bacteria. Nature has a way of removing some of the overpopulated species to attempt to balance things.
 
   / So sad #34  
I'm thinking it will be something very small that kills many humans, like a virus or bacteria. Nature has a way of removing some of the overpopulated species to attempt to balance things.

Perhaps a meteor... we try so damned hard to kill ourselves off that I have to think it will be something completely unexpected.
 
   / So sad #35  
I care about Australia, I really do and I care about the world we live in but and here's the but, The sun has an approximate 10 year cycle of producing sunspots that affect our weather greatly. Australia because of the earth's tilt is also getting the enhanced hot sun streams at a 90 degree angle whereas here in the northern hemisphere we are getting a glancing blow at this time of year that we are also closest to the sun. This is part of the things that we cannot change, what can be changed is the people that we put in charge of looking after the world. Time to jail every person that leaves office insanely richer than they started. Clamp down on country's leaders that have abysmal human rights records, you may have to carry a big stick but put them in their place, in ****. And yes I agree that having less population growth would be good but it's really not educated people that are reproducing rapidly, maybe we should put a stop to nations whose ideology is to take over the world and are having 3 wives and 10 children while doing it while also inflicting pain on those whose ideology is peace.
While I'm pointing, maybe we should all do without cellphones and other electronics that require gold and jewelry, then we wouldn't have to put up with gold miners who dig into the surface and contribute to warming up the perma frost. Do away with dark roads with pavement and solar panels that warm up the surface exponentially by soaking up the suns rays and releasing the heat here at the surface of the earth. Sometime take a walk through a forest then steep into a solar field if you can stand the heat. A thousand years ago the earth was still burning up and flooding and freezing but there was nobody around to talk about it,or at least write it down to keep track of it.
 
   / So sad #37  
Rock We have always gravitated towards greed and stupidity as a species. Every person I ever met seemed to be their own worst enemy and collectivly as humans that seems to apply too. More specificaly, it's always the EGO that is at the root of the trouble. Easy to blame a Devil for everything.
 
   / So sad #38  
I care about Australia, I really do and I care about the world we live in but and here's the but, The sun has an approximate 10 year cycle of producing sunspots that affect our weather greatly. Australia because of the earth's tilt is also getting the enhanced hot sun streams at a 90 degree angle whereas here in the northern hemisphere we are getting a glancing blow at this time of year that we are also closest to the sun. This is part of the things that we cannot change, what can be changed is the people that we put in charge of looking after the world. Time to jail every person that leaves office insanely richer than they started. Clamp down on country's leaders that have abysmal human rights records, you may have to carry a big stick but put them in their place, in ****. And yes I agree that having less population growth would be good but it's really not educated people that are reproducing rapidly, maybe we should put a stop to nations whose ideology is to take over the world and are having 3 wives and 10 children while doing it while also inflicting pain on those whose ideology is peace.
While I'm pointing, maybe we should all do without cellphones and other electronics that require gold and jewelry, then we wouldn't have to put up with gold miners who dig into the surface and contribute to warming up the perma frost. Do away with dark roads with pavement and solar panels that warm up the surface exponentially by soaking up the suns rays and releasing the heat here at the surface of the earth. Sometime take a walk through a forest then steep into a solar field if you can stand the heat. A thousand years ago the earth was still burning up and flooding and freezing but there was nobody around to talk about it,or at least write it down to keep track of it.

^^^^ Yep. Sunspot activity is cyclical and the Earth is experiencing a very low activity cycle.

The Sun is what drives our climate.
 
   / So sad #39  
A lot of the fires started with lightning then arsonists get their jollies by starting others, firebreaks don't really do a lot as embers travel for miles in the high winds that the fires create.
2 firefighters died when these winds flipped their 10 ton tanker.
At the moment 2 big fires look llike joining, tomoorrow will be bad with the predicted high winds.
We are 300km away from the fires but suffering from the thick smoke and the ash is getting into our water tanks, something that the media does not mention.
We have a lot of expert firefighters who we send to the US to help when needed, conversely you have a lot too and we thank you for sending them to help now, that goes for other countries who are helping too.
If I catch a firebug the law prevents me from burning him at a stake.

"firebreaks don't really do a lot" ...then why do every time there is a fire the use dozers to create a fire break and or drop Phos Chek of water to create a fire break.
Fire breaks do work that's why they also have some fire breaks already created in California used a fire break roads and have stopped many fires at that road.

Having said that can ember travel sure, but having fire breaks would stop a lot more fires that flying embers would start.

Lastly, with fire breaks, these fires would not get so monstrous that they create high winds. Common sense says a fire break is better than not having a fire break

Here's a small read about fire breaks

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-8542/NREM-2890web.pdf
 
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