TESLA Electric Truck?

[Grumpycat]

The way I have seen it. Those batteries are so fitted to the vehicles to lower the center of gravity and allow maximum capacity. Plus heating and cooling lines. I cannot imagine any way to exchange them easily.

I also imagine that the manufactureres are looking forward to battery replacement revenue in the future. An exchange program would mess that up.

Your imagination is weak: Tesla Model S | Full Battery Swap Event - YouTube

 

[Industrial Toys]

Which the Chinese (and others) are only too happy to do without any environmental oversight.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

One article mentioned an electric Semi is currently $500,000 but they expect in time diesel or electric semis will cost the same. There are a lot of IF's in the EV world today.

It may take battery technology as advanced over lithium ion battery as LI was over LA (lead acid).

What ever governments reward is what they get more of where it be good or bad.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

NIO ES8 Battery Swapping - YouTube

One comment reads: ......In a few years NIO will make Tesla look outdated.....

Chinese EV startup NIO is catching up to Tesla on China sales — Quartz

With the number of EV makers reported perhaps China has already crossed the tipping point of becoming the world supplier of EV's when we were not looking. If they share their patents with Tesla then they will have access to the ones Tesla holds plus Chinese are being trained trained to build Tesla's which should be good for the other EV builders in China.

 

[davrow]

One article mentioned an electric Semi is currently $500,000 but they expect in time diesel or electric semis will cost the same.

Slight update on Semi price, from Tesla website:



$150,000 base model.

 

[Grumpycat]

One article mentioned an electric Semi is currently $500,000 but they expect in time diesel or electric semis will cost the same. There are a lot of IF's in the EV world today.

Sensationalist Fear Mongering.

A Founders Series Tesla Semi (premium limited edition) is $200,000. Reserve yours now: Reserve the Tesla Semi | Tesla

I'd rather have one of those than an ugly Cybertruck.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Yes I agree on the looks of the Semi.

It has 4 motors I read so how does the power get applied to the wheels. Like is there a gear box, etc?

I am guessing the $200,000 version is a solid price?

 

[Grumpycat]

I am guessing the $200,000 version is a solid price?

That is my understanding, that is the price. However, Tesla sometimes words the contract so you are committed to the price but they are not. They did just that on the original Roadster, raised the price on people who had $40k deposits. When the $7500 Federal Tax Credit was enacted Tesla promptly raised the price $7500 stating, "Its the same as when you ordered."

The production version is expected to be under $200k, depending on battery configuration.

The Founder's Series is how Tesla designates preproduction orders.

 

[two_bit_score]

That is my understanding, that is the price. However, Tesla sometimes words the contract so you are committed to the price but they are not. They did just that on the original Roadster, raised the price on people who had $40k deposits. When the $7500 Federal Tax Credit was enacted Tesla promptly raised the price $7500 stating, "Its the same as when you ordered."

The production version is expected to be under $200k, depending on battery configuration.

The Founder's Series is how Tesla designates preproduction orders.

Have you ordered yours yet?

 

[Grumpycat]

Have you ordered yours yet?

No. I need one with a FEL.

 

[ruffdog]

No. I need one with a FEL.

I have seen those.....they are called garbage trucks.

 

[groundcover]

Or Unimog !

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Or Unimog !

Here is one but it runs on dead dinosaurs.

Lot 557 Unimog AWD All Terrain Front Loader & Backhoe - YouTube

 

[Big Barn]

Cool video, Gale. Thanks!

 

[Renze]

Tesla, electric, has no future when the energy comes from supply driven energy sources such as wind and solar: The environmental burden to produce the battery storage to store all this energy on sunny windy days is too high.

Using the electric to produce hydrogen by electrolysis, may have a slightly lower efficiency than a battery while in use, but the ecological burden, both in use of chemicals to extract rare earth minerals from the soil, as well as the energy required in production, of producing the fuel cell (with a few pounds of platinum in it) is much lower than that of a battery. Furthermore a fuel cell doesnt diminish in capacity over time like a battery does, and can fill as easyvad a gas tank.

For construction machinery or farm tractors, theres just no way to carry the energy for a day of forage chopping, a forager wouldd weigh 60 ton instead of the regular 15 ton...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Tesla, electric, has no future when the energy comes from supply driven energy sources such as wind and solar: The environmental burden to produce the battery storage to store all this energy on sunny windy days is too high.

Using the electric to produce hydrogen by electrolysis, may have a slightly lower efficiency than a battery while in use, but the ecological burden, both in use of chemicals to extract rare earth minerals from the soil, as well as the energy required in production, of producing the fuel cell (with a few pounds of platinum in it) is much lower than that of a battery. Furthermore a fuel cell doesnt diminish in capacity over time like a battery does, and can fill as easyvad a gas tank.

For construction machinery or farm tractors, theres just no way to carry the energy for a day of forage chopping, a forager wouldd weigh 60 ton instead of the regular 15 ton...

Cutting Silage 2 Photograph by Mary Carol Story

One can use silage for energy to chop forage it seems. When gas and diesel are no more some will miss it less than others I expect.

I do miss our Zetor tractor since it was the only new one we ever owned but Dave Ramsey was right in his advice to let it go.

 

[Grumpycat]

Tesla, electric, has no future when the energy comes from supply driven energy sources such as wind and solar: The environmental burden to produce the battery storage to store all this energy on sunny windy days is too high.

Why not put the electricity directly into the EV?

And if storing electricity in an EV's battery is not cost prohibitive then why not for home use too?

The answer is that the incremental cost of generation using traditional means is about 1.5¢/kWh. So spending 5¢/kWh to store in a battery doesn't make much sense. But when some pay 25¢/kWh (New York and California for example) the cost of battery storage is not too shabby. The bulk of Tesla Powerwalls being built are going to California where consumers are saving money by charging the Powerwall at night when electricity is outright cheap by any standards.

Using the electric to produce hydrogen by electrolysis, may have a slightly lower efficiency than a battery while in use,

Electrolysis is by no stretch of the definition, "slightly lower efficiency". Is so bad the primary source of H2 is natural gas.

but the ecological burden, both in use of chemicals to extract rare earth minerals from the soil, as well as the energy required in production, of producing the fuel cell (with a few pounds of platinum in it) is much lower than that of a battery. Furthermore a fuel cell doesnt diminish in capacity over time like a battery does, and can fill as easyvad a gas tank.

"Rare Earth minerals" are not rare. Furthermore these items are not consumed in a lithium battery or electric motor. Therefore are ripe for the picking come time for salvage. The only reason we do not mine "rare earths" in the USA is unreasoned bias by the EPA such as that exhibited by Renze.

For construction machinery or farm tractors, theres just no way to carry the energy for a day of forage chopping, a forager wouldd weigh 60 ton instead of the regular 15 ton...

Only EV haters suppose replacing everything immediately with electricity.

 

[Oaktree]

The bulk of Tesla Powerwalls being built are going to California where consumers are saving money by charging the Powerwall at night when electricity is outright cheap by any standards.

Are electric rates in Calif. different night vs day? Never knew that, must be kind of cumbersome to administer.

 

[Grumpycat]

Are electric rates in Calif. different night vs day? Never knew that, must be kind of cumbersome to administer.

Much of the country has T.O.U. billing. Is tallied by the meter. Can be over 20¢/kWh during the day and less than 5¢ at night in some areas.

Am not a student of TVA but not aware of any subscribing utilities using T.O.U. billing, but have seen reference stating TVA bills the utilities based on the time of day stands to reason to bill more during high demand, and less during low demand to encourage those who can to shift their use.

 

[California]

Are electric rates in Calif. different night vs day? Never knew that, must be kind of cumbersome to administer.

They've replaced the house electric meters with ones that record and report (by radio?) actual usage so its all automated. Peak (5~8 pm in summer) costs a lot more than intermediate hours, with midnight ~ 6 am much cheaper. A friend in town bought a Tesla and signed up to a special EV rate he says pays him a small rebate for power he takes after midnight. Something to do with load-balancing.

We're now living in the future.