TESLA Electric Truck?

[jjp8182]

Given what was said earlier in this thread regarding the time replacement intervals for batteries it'll be interesting to see the effect on the used market value of electric vehicles that are approaching (or have exceed) the suggested replacement interval particularly as electric vehicles become more mainstream and the "gee-whiz" factor dies off (as it eventually does with almost all new technologies).

So just out of curiosity I checked out the localized KBB value of the cheapest all standard option of a 2012 Model S, which turned out to be a very respectable $21K-$25K -- however, even at that price the thought of having to fork out the previously mentioned $8K on a vehicle that's currently worth $21k-$25K doesn't sound very appealing -- especially if I wasn't the one that had been experiencing the gas-free years prior (or hadn't been setting aside the cash to pay for that battery change).

It'll be interesting to see how the used car market adapts ....or if mainstream electric cars will become "disposable" items when a battery change comes due. Which will potentially be even more interesting on a truck that may have seen an unknown level of use/abuse (both physical and electrical).

 

[ultrarunner]

Report from the trenches...

Neighbors son in law was taking the family to LA from SF for Thanksgiving... driving the Tesla with extended range... I think he would qualify as rich... he has been CEO of two companies people would recognize... I have only met him twice in 12 years.

Anyway... I5 to LA was closed at the Grapevine and traffic detoured to 101... which extended the distance and the best laid plans were now not possible... it took 9 hours and 15 minutes door to door because of additional charge time due to detour and waiting even with priority charge whatever that is???

Seems other EV owners were in the same predicament due to I5 being closed.

So yes they made it but it was an ordeal with anxiety if they would miss Thanksgiving altogether... he flew in late Wednesday and they left in the Tesla early Thursday...

 

[California]

It'll be interesting to see .... if mainstream electric cars will become "disposable" items when a battery change comes due.

I think there are already backstreet garages cobbling together salvaged battery components to make one usable battery. I've read of such for Prius batteries. Maybe cars sold with those batteries should have a 'salvage' title. Then later, legitimate Tesla battery rebuilders will appear.

There are rebuilt - and warrantied - automatic transmissions available off the shelf now from large-scale rebuilders and I expect EV batteries will follow that model.

And there's always the possibility of a substantial trade-in credit toward a new battery because the de-rated one can be resold for a home Powerwall.

 

[two_bit_score]

“Backalley Batteries” ...... name for an up and coming new enterprise in the world of EV.

 

[CHF4]

Ok? So letç—´ say every ICE is replaced with EV, you are making the point NO infrastructure will get overloaded?

It’s not going to happen like that; takes a while to build that many vehicles, takes a while for incremental upgrades with power companies.

 

[CHF4]

Your thinking is limited by believing a Supercharger is a gas station, that one is expected to be dependent upon Superchargers.

New V3 Superchargers are capable of 250kW initial charge rate. A newer Model 3 Long Range can start at that rate with a low battery. All Teslas slow the rate as battery charges. My 6 year old S starts at 120kW. But at home it charges at 40A @ 240VAC, 9.6kW. At home I get 29 miles into the battery per hour. Doesn't slow until the last 5 miles. I do not charge to 100% because I do not have to.

I spend about 30 seconds per day charging. Connecting the cable. Disconnecting the cable.

What you fail to understand about Superchargers is that their only purpose is to facilitate travel of more than 200 miles in a day. Makes travel not only possible by put practical. I can and have driven 540 miles in one day stopping 3 times for about 35 minutes each. While I have driven that route nonstop in ICE vehicles, it is not a good idea. What is the Federal regulation for OTR drivers? Stop every 2 hours?

People will need charge in x time I’d think vs the kw..and V3 may be a long while before it out everywhere? Maybe once they upgrade the S & X batteries they’ll start v3 upgrades? It’s taken years to put all these SC stations in.. will be interesting to see how it goes. Also my buddy traveling this past weekend in his 3 on the east coast saw only 50 & 75kw in his LR 3..but he only had one SC stop needed each way. I’m a fan for sure, though there’s some room for improvement. I want to see how the Taycan charging system goes- 15 mins for 80% is game changing- but - I know, limited to 0 locations at this point?

 

[5030]

Not sure about the charging rates but I assume that you can only drive the rate so fast and then you have an overheating issue with the battery pack.

I guess my issue comes from where the power originates. it's not some magical genie supplying the power to the charge station, it's fossil fueled and nuclear plants supplying the juice and they both pollute but in different ways.

People tend to discount the initial generation of the power heavily and play the 'green' dream. From that standpoint, I still prefer the infernal combustion engine. With that, I know where the related pollution originates at. With a plug in, not so much.

 

[CHF4]

Not sure about the charging rates but I assume that you can only drive the rate so fast and then you have an overheating issue with the battery pack.

I guess my issue comes from where the power originates. it's not some magical genie supplying the power to the charge station, it's fossil fueled and nuclear plants supplying the juice and they both pollute but in different ways.

People tend to discount the initial generation of the power heavily and play the 'green' dream. From that standpoint, I still prefer the infernal combustion engine. With that, I know where the related pollution originates at. With a plug in, not so much.

What’s interesting with the recent charging info coming out is that Tesla can actually preheat the battery on the way to the station so it will accept a charge faster. 180 miles in about 15 minutes. That being said, 280 miles in 15 minutes would be better.

I hear what you’re saying about the green dream etc. Personally I’d much much rather my hard earned dollars supporting the local power company workers & linemen with however they generate the power (nuclear, American coal or natural gas, solar during the day- we have some decent sized farms around us in NC) vs some middle eastern or other foreign government & workers.

Once you drive a real electric like a Tesla you’ll want that kind of instant power for every vehicle you own! (Maybe not the charging quite yet). I wish my Tractors & RTV were electric with instant torque & quiet. No waiting on them to warm up, not having to deal with price fluctuations on diesel etc. just take 10 seconds to put a plug in it when I parked (if needed). Granted I would miss the noise of my 75hp Massey (sometimes)- I would never miss the noise in the RTV- it’s diesel & loud.

 

[Fallon]

Not sure about the charging rates but I assume that you can only drive the rate so fast and then you have an overheating issue with the battery pack.

I guess my issue comes from where the power originates. it's not some magical genie supplying the power to the charge station, it's fossil fueled and nuclear plants supplying the juice and they both pollute but in different ways.

People tend to discount the initial generation of the power heavily and play the 'green' dream. From that standpoint, I still prefer the infernal combustion engine. With that, I know where the related pollution originates at. With a plug in, not so much.

With all the DEF & DPF on my new truck, I'd be happy to offload that to a stationary power plant. Without all the issues of the emissions gear bouncing down the road it can be optimized for more efficiency & get longer wear. Efficiency of a fixed power plant is a fair bit higher than in a mobile vehicle engine.

I'd assume the increased efficiency is somewhat canceled out by transmission losses. But it's going to be better at reducing emissions at utility scale than every tailpipe. As "green" energy scales up even more it can make a dent in carbon energy. They are already building a lot of wind farms without government subsidies as it still makes financial sense. Lots of issues with grid stability when the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing. But we can get there slowly.

I just got a 2014 diesel this week. Really not looking forward to the DEF & DPF fun. I'm hoping my next truck in 5-10 years will be electric. Likely not a cybertruck, but maybe a 2nd gen electric truck of some sort.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

What’s interesting with the recent charging info coming out is that Tesla can actually preheat the battery on the way to the station so it will accept a charge faster. 180 miles in about 15 minutes. That being said, 280 miles in 15 minutes would be better.

I hear what you’re saying about the green dream etc. Personally I’d much much rather my hard earned dollars supporting the local power company workers & linemen with however they generate the power (nuclear, American coal or natural gas, solar during the day- we have some decent sized farms around us in NC) vs some middle eastern or other foreign government & workers.

Once you drive a real electric like a Tesla you’ll want that kind of instant power for every vehicle you own! (Maybe not the charging quite yet). I wish my Tractors & RTV were electric with instant torque & quiet. No waiting on them to warm up, not having to deal with price fluctuations on diesel etc. just take 10 seconds to put a plug in it when I parked (if needed). Granted I would miss the noise of my 75hp Massey (sometimes)- I would never miss the noise in the RTV- it’s diesel & loud.

Electric-car batteries recharge in ten minutes when the heat is on : Research Highlights

I recently learned about this factor when charging the Nissan Leaf with the 30 kWa battery at WalMart (Electrify America). With the battery cold (60F) vs war (90F-100F) the same amount of charge cost me 2x as much cold as warm for the same amount of charge. That is using the CHAmoDE DC charger. Since the charging fee is per minute you can see how much faster a heated battery can charge vs a cold battery. Charging a cold battery can lead to plating that leads to long term battery degradation.

Plating is explained in the above article and how to prevent it for longer EV battery life. It is my guess we are a few years away from learning the basic issues of EV ownership and their solutions. A Tesla bought in 2020 will be very different and better in 2025 even if the changes are only in EV batteries and their care with the rest of the physical car remaining the same.

By 2025 some think EV's will be cheaper to buy than an ICE based car of the same size and quality. Whenever that time comes consumers will stop demanding ICE based vehicles. At that time the current noise about ICE vs EV will go silent until the next paradigm shift that replace EV power for vehicles.

Yesterday driving the Subaru to the airport vs the Leaf drove home the drive-ability of an EV over an ICE that you mentioned. Taking off and stopping was a horse of a different color for sure. Both are much smoother in the Leaf vs Subaru. I am sure a Tesla would amplify the differences even more but I have not driven one. Driving a car with no transmission is just plain awesome in my experience.

None of our 5 tractors make a sound that I would miss personally.