TESLA Electric Truck?

[lilranch2001]

Believe its more like a 30 minute break after 8 hours of driving, with an 11 hour max driving per day.
How long can truck drivers drive before they have to take a break? - Cordisco & Saile LLC

Yea, but that screws up ole grumpies logic!

 

[Grumpycat]

First drive: the first-ever hybrid Toyota RAV4 | Top Gear

Toyota RAV4 EV Models, Generations & Redesigns | Cars.com

Do you know why Toyota did not make a go of it with the Rav4 EV and Hybrid the first time around?

Toyota Mirai - Wikipedia

While this Toyota was able to match Tesla's Model 3 range and cost for some reason they only sold several thousands per this info in the USA. My take they are coming with hybrids again as a stop gap measure until they develop the skills to compete with EV's from other sources. While not so much in the USA currently but in the rest of the world if major car companies can not figure out how to do EV's the Chinese EV's I expect will own more and more of their current market share.

Toyota makes excellent hybrids. But awful EV and alternate energy vehicles.

The Mirai is no competition for an EV. It is a wet dream of socialist bureaucrats who are afraid to change anything but trying to solve problems they imagine. The Mirai requires creation of a gas station infrastructure. Creation of H2 production. Does not upset the current gas station community because consumer dependency on their services is assured. And best of all, an easy point of use for government to impose taxes. Conversely most EVs will operate 99% of the time from overnight charge at home using a $500 adapter.

Hybrids still burn fossil fuels which is more and more of a no no in Europe and China. Hybrids were a good hack until EV battery costs started dropping and the event of fast EV charging stations. Because hybrids are a hack their days are numbered as are more and more cars with IC based engines.

Where do you think H2 for the Mirai comes from? Uses more electricity to split water than an EV would use, so today 97% of H2 cones from natural gas.

EV's are so much less expensive to build than ICE's now that battery prices are dropping. Robots bring quality at a lower cost.

No, they are not. Engines are very inexpensive to build after 120 years of practice. You can not build one in the garage anywhere near as cheap. Really good batteries are not falling in price nearly as fast as you allude. Plus no one is mass producing as dense, efficient, and powerful electric motors as Tesla.

Because Ford has a bad track record with EV's and Tesla has such success I expect we will see the first 100K EV trucks from Tesla before we see the same number from Ford.

I dont agree. Ford didnt do bad, no worse than a Nissan. Its just that they were trying to buy components off the shelf. The key to a successful EV is control over battery production. An automaker can not excel if buying engines from another manufacturer. While we are led to believe Tesla owns their battery production, it is really Panasonic, who isnt terribly happy with Tesla.

The Tesla Super Chargers are world wide so why would a traveler look at any other brand of cars and trucks. Sure my Leaf is fine for 90% of my driving but not all of it. With ICE development stopped it is just a matter of time EV's will be our only vehicle option it seems.

This is where Ford is failing. In State Capitalist (Socialist) Tradition, Ford us depending on government financed (via VW fines) Electrify America charging network. Musk has said many times everyone is welcome on the Suoercharger network so long as the manufacturer joins under equal terms. Originally that meant 1) free lifetime use and 2) capable of 120kW rate and 3) at least 200 mile range to reach the next Supercharger. And presumably the manufacturer must contribute to cost of construction and operation. New Tedla owners pay about $0.26/kWh to use a Supercharger.

Today there are many unknowns and few if any knowns other than ICE's are going away.

Lots of unknowns but the ICE wont be the minority on the road for another 50 years.

This site wont let me use a tick in contractions. Noticed others with garbage code in posts and now I know.

 

[Grumpycat]

Once they get EV to the point where I can either drive 1000 miles on a charge or charge it up from empty to full in 3 min I will consider it. Until then it is just an inconvenience. Sure we could have a EV charging station at every corner...but if it takes an hour to charge it then useless.

Ditto! Im convinced! Thanks to your insight I will not buy another vehicle until I can get one for $10,000 or less that doesn't require fuel for 10 years!

But back to reality, you suffer from the Gas Station Delusion. The notion that we have gas stations, therefore all solutions must have gas stations on every street corner.

 

[Grumpycat]

Also, what about those people who refuse to pay attention to their fuel gauge and is always running out of fuel?

Charge every night and that problem goes away.

 

[Grumpycat]

And that's a problem. Around here most apartments don't even have a place a charging station r outlet could be set up. Even townhouses and condos with a car port don't have outlets in them to keep people from working on their vehicles. I don't see many landlords upgrading their apartments without funding from the state. For those who do have a garage most don't have 240v in them. Then you have the class of people who think of their garage as a storage shed. Their cars haven't spent a day inside it in decades. Certainly things will get better but to get the bulk of people to bite it can't come with added upfront costs and an impact to how they live their lives.

Time once was that apartments often had shared public restrooms and showers. Tenants moved when completion offered private bathrooms. Those tenants moved when other apartments offered swimming pools, tennis courts, gyms, etc.

And you think landlords will not provide EV charging to keep tenants?

Look into the Tesla Destination Charger program. Restaurants and hotels offer Tesla charging to attract clientele. Not to provide public infrastructure. Tesla will give the equipment away, and has been known to help pay for installation. Will even provide J1772 hardware for other brands. The business must provide space and electricity, and is allowed to restrict use to customers but not to levy a charge for use.

The market will provide. No need for government.

 

[Grumpycat]

This is so true. Until one can see an application for an EV in their travel needs it may be best to pass on ownership of an EV at this time. Battery care and treatment does have some learning curve and once damaged the damage is not self healing. It is not that hard and the software does most of the management but there are some do's and don'ts when it comes to charging, etc.

Anyone who owns a electric golf cart, solar storage batteries, etc should have a head start understanding the batteries are the tail that wags the dog.

A Tesla is not nearly as hard to operate as a golf cart. Try to set greater than 90% charge and the car will caution against routinely charging that much. Also starts complaining when range falls below 50 miles. If navigation is active then it shows estimated battery SOC at destination. If it thinks you will arrive dangerously low it tries to reroute to a charge site. For a regular 540 mile trip i set the far destination then it inserts stops at Superchargers along the way. Lists expected SOC at each, and how long to charge to safely reach the next Supercharger. Even displays how many charging bays and how many are currently in use.

Years ago this system was buggy. In Birmingham it tried to send me 150 miles to Chattanooga Supercharger rather than let me drive 116 miles home to my own EVSE. And then home was another 130 miles from Chattanooga. Stupid computers.

 

[4570Man]

If it cost $10-15 a day to charge one there’s no way the apartment is going to give that much away in electric.

 

[two_bit_score]

Who tows a Tesla? I think think there is something here you don't understand.

So why would someone have to have a ‘spare’ vehicle with a 100k Tesla in the driveway?

 

[Grumpycat]

Who tows a Tesla? I think think there is something here you don't understand.

Mine going to the spa to be spoiled. That is a Tesla employee and Tesla owned and operated rig picking up my car to take is 92 miles in, and 92 miles back.

 

[two_bit_score]

Time once was that apartments often had shared public restrooms and showers. Tenants moved when completion offered private bathrooms. Those tenants moved when other apartments offered swimming pools, tennis courts, gyms, etc.

And you think landlords will not provide EV charging to keep tenants?

Look into the Tesla Destination Charger program. Restaurants and hotels offer Tesla charging to attract clientele. Not to provide public infrastructure. Tesla will give the equipment away, and has been known to help pay for installation. Will even provide J1772 hardware for other brands. The business must provide space and electricity, and is allowed to restrict use to customers but not to levy a charge for use.

The market will provide. No need for government.

I don’t care what kind of amenities commercial business offers tenants or clients or customers or even to the public at large for EV’s as long as they aren’t getting grants, subsidies or any other tax scam to pay for it.


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