Ice Melt
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rekees4300
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Don't know what those "heat sources" could be other than the Earth's magma. :confused3: It's been melting Iceland's ice ever since Iceland was created from a volcano. Of course the Earth's inner heat is going to melt some ice but the amount is trivial compared to the Sun/Climate Change ice melting. :sun:
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It wouldn't be prudent to quit your farming job. :cowboy:
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This is 100% conjecture...
You've got it backwards...the Earth's internal heat (including both known and unknown marine thermal vents) is causing the climate change...The oceans control the weather/climate...not the other way around...
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Pine you are partially correct. According to this article, Earth's internal heat is one of several factors causing Greenland's ice melt. I learned something new today, thank you. :thumbsup:
There's a summary of what it says: "According to Rysgaard, mass loss of the Greenland's ice sheet is determined by a combination of factors: higher temperatures in the air and the sea, precipitation from above, local dynamics of the ice sheet and heat loss from the Earth's interior."
Heat from the Earth’s interior causing Greenland’s ice sheet to melt: study
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I wish someone would "do the math" on all the GOOD THINGS that a warmer earth will bring.
Like higher CO2 levels will promote agriculture (feed the world), Grow the Rain Forests in shorter time.
There will be more water in the atmosphere, so more rain to grow the crops. There will be more snow too. Replenishing the Greenland ice sheet.
Maybe even Antarctica will get some fresh snow. It's a pretty dry place.
Heck, the way it is now, man kind has never been better off. Less starvation. less poverty, less disease. More people are prospering or at least doing well than in any previous era of human existence.
All due to petrochemicals, electricity and human ingenuity.
Don't sell all of us short with the doomsday predictions. Things are looking (and ARE) pretty good, yes, pretty good indeed.
Like higher CO2 levels will promote agriculture (feed the world), Grow the Rain Forests in shorter time.
There will be more water in the atmosphere, so more rain to grow the crops. There will be more snow too. Replenishing the Greenland ice sheet.
Maybe even Antarctica will get some fresh snow. It's a pretty dry place.
Heck, the way it is now, man kind has never been better off. Less starvation. less poverty, less disease. More people are prospering or at least doing well than in any previous era of human existence.
All due to petrochemicals, electricity and human ingenuity.
Don't sell all of us short with the doomsday predictions. Things are looking (and ARE) pretty good, yes, pretty good indeed.
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"Moderation in all things" ... no water we thirst to death, too much water we drowned. Same thing with Climate Change. A little may be beneficial to some folks but too much will be deadly for many. We need to consider Gore's "tipping point" when we will not be able to stop Climate Change. Melting of the permafrost (massive release of Methane) would be a tipping point.
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Change IS happening and most people acknowledge it, but unfortunately it's human nature not to do anything unless the change becomes painful. Florida underwater would be painful for the snowbirds.
I am a "snowbird" and almost 79.
Should I start worrying NOW ???
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Before all the ice melts (raising sea level 216 feet) Florida will cease to exist. The good news is it will take 5,000 years for all the ice to melt. The bad news is by the end of this century many coastal cities like Miami will have major flooding. I've seen Climate models that estimate Florida will disappear in about 3,000 years.
What the World Would Look Like if All the Ice Melted
What the World Would Look Like if All the Ice Melted
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When I Googled this 50+ year old quote it came up on a bunch of AGW denialist websites. The implication on those websites is that Feynman was saying that scientists are ignorant experts. That's far from the case. What he was saying was that scientists should believe that experts are ignorant and should do their own analysis of the data to arrive at their own conclusions. For example, in the late 1800's and early 1900's the "experts" believed that the earth's continents were fixed in place. Other scientists started to question these existing "facts". This eventually led to our current understanding of plate tectonics, which has the earth's continents very slowly moving relative to each other.
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Part of this is true. Where tectonic plates are separating molten magma is coming up from below to form new crust. That's how plate tectonics works. That magma causes the hydrothermal vents that spew hot water which causes the temperature in that localized area to go up. This has been going on at a relatively constant rate for millions of years, though. There's no evidence to suggest that this is causing the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere that has been measured since the beginning of the industrial revolution, when we started burning hydrocarbons in significant quantities.
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Chris616
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Reuters is an excellent unbiased news source. There isn't anything on their website that supports your statement:
"Do the misguided AGW zealots not realize that ALL the new data and information coming from actual scientific sources are reporting about how fouled up the temperature records and how they were obtained are."
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oh yea Reuters is about as unbiased as you n rekeys
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Part of this is true. The oceans are major drivers of earth's weather and climate. As the oceans warm up two visible results are more severe hurricane seasons in the US and dying coral reefs around Australia. But the oceans aren't warming up because of thermal vents (known or unknown) that do their thing at a relatively constant rate. The oceans are heating up because they absorb most of the heat being trapped in the atmosphere by increasing levels of greenhouse gases. Here's a simple explanation from a reliable source:
Ocean warming facts and information
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