so is it safe?

[big bubba]

It's a staple in every suburban household. large & small time farmers use w/impunity. some i know use the ingredient to rid lilly pads/cattails in their wetlands. Is it safe? or is this just one legal scam on a perfectly safe product?... come on, i know at least 90% of you use it :licking:
your thoughts?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...d=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-business2:homepage/card

 

[Diggin It]

Better question ... shouild a Judge who doesn't respect the Jury system be allowed to remain on the bench?

 

[Tomtint]

My first thought is that the judge is going to get a nice thank you envelope from Monsanto.. and probably a new address in some Caribbean Island.

 

[/pine]

Better question ... shouild a Judge who doesn't respect the Jury system be allowed to remain on the bench?

Did you even read the article?

...Though the judge substantially cut the damages, she supported the jury's finding that Monsanto was to blame for Alva and Alberta Pilliod's cancer, and that the company repeatedly tried to bury evidence about Roundup's health risks at the expense of consumer safety....

BTW...the jury made a statement...the real damage was done...it was a likely conclusion and a strategy of the plaintiffs.

 

[Diggin It]

Did you even read the article?

No, but I read your quote ....

...Though the judge substantially cut the damages,

That is 'not respecting the Jury system' and it's been a regular occurrence in these cases. Judges should not be able to alter Jury awards.

 

[/pine]

No, but I read your quote ....


That is 'not respecting the Jury system' and it's been a regular occurrence in these cases. Judges should not be able to alter Jury awards.

Yes it is...the reason cited was "...vastly exceeded legal precedent..." enough said

but like I said...it was a statement and they knew it would likely be reduced...it was a play...!

 

[Diggin It]

That is 'not respecting the Jury system'

Yes it is....

Glad we agree.

:thumbsup:

 

[F1520]

It's a staple in every suburban household. large & small time farmers use w/impunity. some i know use the ingredient to rid lilly pads/cattails in their wetlands. Is it safe? or is this just one legal scam on a perfectly safe product?... come on, i know at least 90% of you use it :licking:
your thoughts?

I use it and have wondered the same thing. I mix it according to the instructions and wear basic protective gear while handling it. Here is some of the info I found while searching for the answer myself:

"If You Accept Science, You Accept Roundup Does Not Cause Cancer"

If You Accept Science, You Accept Roundup Does Not Cause Cancer | American Council on Science and Health

 

[Diggin It]

I use it and have wondered the same thing. I mix it according to the instructions and wear basic protective gear while handling it. Here is some of the info I found while searching for the answer myself:

"If You Accept Science, You Accept Roundup Does Not Cause Cancer"

American Council on Science and Health

"The American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) is a pro-industry nonprofit advocacy organization "

"Following the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001, ACSH opposed the appointment of a federal official to oversee and administer aid to those injured during the attacks and subsequent rescue; "

"In 2013, leaked internal financial documents revealed that 58% of the ACSH's donations in the period from July 1, 2012 to December 20, 2012 came from corporations and large private foundations, many of which themselves had ties to industries"

"Gilbert Ross, ACSH's former medical director, served time in federal prison and had his medical license revoked for Medicaid fraud before being hired by ACSH"

American Council on Science and Health - Wikipedia

 

[KennyG]

I think there is good basis for the judges reduction, independent of the unsettled question of how hazardous glysophate actually is. I mean, $2 billion dollars for two people who got cancer but are in remission? People who used a gallon a week and did not use protective measures? There has to be some balance of responsibility here. Seems like they (and their lawyers) should be pretty happy with $86 million.

 

[LD48750]

With everything in the world, natural & man made, causing cancer, how can they point to one thing and say IT is what caused THIS cancer?
And ir it did, why didn't it cause cancer in everyone else that used it?

Not even taking into consideration $2 BILLION for any settlement.
Those people will/would never come close to making that much in their lives.
Nobodies pain & suffering is worth that much.

 

[Diggin It]

My personal opinion is that heredity causes most ailments including Cancer. When 100,000 people are exposed to something daily and only 1,000 or so develop a disease, can we really draw a conclusion? When some people are ill most of their lives, contracting one disease after another while others are rarely sick at all, where does that lead us in the causation game?

 

[big bubba]

My personal opinion is that heredity causes most ailments including Cancer. When 100,000 people are exposed to something daily and only 1,000 or so develop a disease, can we really draw a conclusion? When some people are ill most of their lives, contracting one disease after another while others are rarely sick at all, where does that lead us in the causation game?

the age old argument of genetics vs environment. so...back to the question.

do you regard the herbicide safe in terms of contact & possible ingestion? for example, would you consume fish from a pond w/run off containing glyphosphate from a treated area even if minimal?
not trying to make an argument, just looking for opinions on a product we use every day. it sure is easier to spray it rather than weed eat for example. tempting, but even in my 70's i'll never do it.

whatever the consensus, you have to admit it is as American as apple pie & fireworks on the 4th. & worthy of a health issue discussion.
thx for the various replies & best regards

 

[LD48750]

the age old argument of genetics vs environment. so...back to the question.

do you regard the herbicide safe in terms of contact & possible ingestion? for example, would you consume fish from a pond w/run off containing glyphosphate from a treated area even if minimal?
not trying to make an argument, just looking for opinions on a product we use every day. it sure is easier to spray it rather than weed eat for example. tempting, but even in my 70's i'll never do it.

whatever the consensus, you have to admit it is as American as apple pie & fireworks on the 4th. & worthy of a health issue discussion.
thx for the various replies & best regards

Farmers have been using this & other chemicals since they were discovered.
I am old enough to remember when people died of "old age" and I KNOW a lot of farmers & families are dying of other things then these cancers.
Also consider how many city dwellers get & die from the same cancers without ever coming in contact with it.

 

[fried1765]

heck, U.S. soldiers in Vietnam used Agent Orange to bath with, sometimes people do stupid things!..

Yep......"sometimes people do stupid things!".
Sometimes....... people post stupid comments too!

 

[Redlands Okie]

From my limited reading it seems to me that the people in these court cases did not follow even basic safety measures for working with chemicals.
Also seems to me that is there was a serous issue with the product that lots prettier percentage of people would be having problems.
Is it safe ? I do not know. Does seem to be pretty low risk with proper care.

 

[oosik]

Is it safe - how should I know. All the "scientific reports" I've read are biased one way or the other. They both can't be right.

In the most general terms - too much of most anything is not good for your health.

 

[D2Cat]

You want to get rid of cattails? Cut them off below the water level. They smother.