55 Gallon Fire Extinguisher

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I started this build the summer before last for a number of reasons but one of the main one's being at work we do quite a bit of brush mulching/cutting with our two excavators one is a Kobelco SK210LC that we have fitted with a Promac 52" Flail mulcher and the other is a Hitachi ZX160LC often fitted with a Promac 36" CMP brushcutter fitted with a mulching disc. Some of our jobs are on private land and others are on public land usually mulching for drainage ditches and in the past pipelines and powerlines. We've gotten in to a bit of a dry cycle the last couple years and one of the owners had been on a pipeline job in Northern Ontario, Canada and was on a rock outcropping full of moss and had turned a little bit with the steel track and managed to make a spark which caught the moss on fire, he said they dumped their coffee flasks, mugs, and water bottles on this little patch to extinguish it and finally got it out.
So it made me think maybe I should make something for jobs like that and having quite a bit of wildland firefighting experience as a volunteer firefighter and training. I started to gather some of the things I would need like my little 2.5h.p. 1" water pump some hose and sprayer fittings from a local ag supply store and eventually found a suitable candidate for a water tank in the form of a white translucent 55 gallon poly drum from a local poultry farmer that had held some kind of chlorine based cleaning agent so I knew it was a little more than clean. lol I would of liked to go with a bigger tank but I'm limited for capacity in my current truck as I'm already transporting a 125 gallon diesel slip tank with a 12 volt GPI pump for refuelling equipment on our jobsites.
I set everything up so the barrel would be lying on its side with a raised vent to limit spillage from sloshing and so the 2" NPT bung would be on the bottom to feed water to the pump I also eventually incorporated a bulkhead at the opposite end as a recirculate and refill port. The recirculate function is meant as a way to prevent the pump from cavitating in case I have to stop the flow of water while repositioning the truck during a fire.
I also built a wooden cradle out of some scrap lumber I had that was taking up space to keep the tank from obviously rolling around. I'm not much of a carpenter and I don't have any experience welding or metal fabricating but I seem to have a natural knack for building stuff out of pipe pieces, hose, and I like small engines and playing with water. I used poly pipe fittings as much as possible to prevent any corrosion and to keep the weight down.
I also assembled things so the pump is easily dismounted so I can take it to any water source like a pond, creek, swamp, or river and pull a draft to refill the tank quickly as any water body around here is usually pretty soggy at the edges and difficult to get close to with a truck. So far I haven't fought any fires with it but I have used it clean the cattail fluff and dust from the excavator radiator when I was doing a bunch of brush mulching last year and it worked very well since the pump doesn't produce enough pressure to damage the fins on the oil coolers or radiator. Its rated for 42psi at 41gpm, I usually have it necked down to 3/4 garden hose size.
This winter I bought a larger more powerful 2" pump that produces 7h.p. and 85psi at 125gpm its necked down to 1.5" discharge with a quarter forestry coupling but for the truck and because I'm only carrying 55 gallons of water at best I have some adapters to neck down to 3/4". It still needs some more testing and I'm going to set something up so it has a proper relief valve, and on this new to me tank I recently bought I still have to put a bulkhead in it, but so far I still think I like my 55 gallon barrel a little better. I have a few photos of my set up as it progressed last year and changes I made as I improved the initial idea. Its loosely based on some 'homemade' set ups that several Volunteer Fire Departments in my area have built to put on ATV's and UTV's.
 

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Paragraphs, friend - paragraphs!!
 
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Lol oops it was late last night I checked for grammar at least.
Few more pictures as it developed last summer with my little girl having fun playing with water.
 

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Wouldn’t just a 2.5 gallon pressurized water fire extinguisher work? They’ll put out a pretty big brush fire.
 
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Wouldn’t just a 2.5 gallon pressurized water fire extinguisher work? They’ll put out a pretty big brush fire.

Its hard to get a hold of an old one and they often aren't enough. New one's are a hundred or two hundred or more. And besides what fun is just buying it when you can build it and 55 gallons of water will put out more fire than 2.5 gallons. Lol
 
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I have an old Indian backpack tank that I just bought a new pump for, as last summer it got so dry that I decided that I needed something on the property.
It hasn't stopped raining since I got it.
 
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It would be nice if you'd go back and edit your post so it's readable. It just as well be a foreign language as it's presented!
 
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I have an old Indian backpack tank that I just bought a new pump for, as last summer it got so dry that I decided that I needed something on the property.
It hasn't stopped raining since I got it.

LMAO sounds like the summer my parents got central air when I was 12 it was the coldest wettest summer on record.
I have two poly backpack pumps like that, that I got from a Canadian Government surplus auction site last year. I think I bid $90.00CAD and both worked fine just one had radiator fluid in it....I guess somebody thought that would work to 'winterize' it. lol The other backpack pump I got a better hand pump for it and a little longer hose so I can mount it on my ATV and not have to dismount it for a small fire.
 

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Remember to throttle down pump and restrict spray nozzle.... With 125 gallon per minute pump and 55 gallon tank you have about 40-45 seconds of water.... think you are over compensating on pump.... I have Honda WX15 (1.5 inch) and I can shoot a stream of water through 50 feet of 3/4 inch garden hose about 30 feet....

Personally I think if serious for fire, a 275 gallon tote would be better...BUT we are talking about 2300 pounds of weight plus weight of tote (another 100 pounds)..

Dale
 
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You may want to look at your pump curve chart again, your not going to flow 125 gpm at 85 psi with that.
 
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Remember to throttle down pump and restrict spray nozzle.... With 125 gallon per minute pump and 55 gallon tank you have about 40-45 seconds of water.... think you are over compensating on pump.... I have Honda WX15 (1.5 inch) and I can shoot a stream of water through 50 feet of 3/4 inch garden hose about 30 feet....

Personally I think if serious for fire, a 275 gallon tote would be better...BUT we are talking about 2300 pounds of weight plus weight of tote (another 100 pounds)..

Dale

No actually I'm not over compensating when you look at how most firefighting rigs are built our wildland truck carries a 300 gallon water tank coupled to a 250 gallon per minute 2 or 3 stage pump with an 18h.p. Briggs and Stratton V-twin engine. There are a number of reasons for this other than shooting '30 feet' the first is to over come friction loss, not that I'm going to drop more than 100 maybe a 150 feet of hose. The second reason is if I'm drafting from a static water source I can actually do a long hose lay and put a serious amount of water on the fire if I really needed to.
Once I get around to it I'll get some more fittings for the larger pump and I'll install an adjustable relief valve that will allow water to circulate back to the tank thus preventing cavitation of the pump I just haven't had the chance to do it yet. The little pump still works fine and needs an oil change before I use it again it has also been very reliable as I've used it for a variety things ranging from watering the garden from my rain tote, to pumping out my backyard during the spring thaw, and washing out excavator oil coolers and radiators.
A tote would be nice but I'm not going to be hauling one of those around in a 1/2 ton truck especially when you consider I already have a slip tank in the truck box with a capacity of 125 gallons. lol
 
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Just correcting what you stated in your first post.
 
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Thought I'd post some pictures of some other set ups I've encountered. The home made ATV set up is used by a nearby Fire Department for fighting grass and brush fires as it can get to places that a 1 ton or 3/4 ton can't and because manpower is always at a premium and we don't get much help from the Provincial government unless a fire is on 'crown land', the ATV or sometimes UTV can do the job of ten or more people with backpack pump, brooms, shovels and pulaski's. This also depends on the severity of the fire of course etc. etc.
This particular Fire Department has three ATV's all equipped the same way and they use a sort of hit and run tactic knocking down what they can and where the larger trucks can't get to, running back and forth usually refilling from a tanker or pumper. My Fire Department didn't have one but these guys that do have them say they do an excellent job in most circumstances. As you'll see in some of the pictures some Departments tried using little trailers to haul larger volumes of water but are now switching to carrying water on the backs of the machines as the tank trailers can be difficult to maneuver in thick brush and difficult to back up in an emergency as you can imagine.
 

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Having water is handy but the basics should include woodland firefighting tools, starting with a shovel followed by a McLeod and a fire swatter. If going with a tank setup, you should incorporate foam injection or utilize a “dump & pump” to stretch firefighting capability. Many topics via google.

I built a 750 gallon setup on an old military wagon trailer (carried bombs to planes on bases)that I tow wherever it’s needed and did incorporate an automatic recirculating setup when the nozzle is off.
 
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Being an excavator operator I usually carry a spade or two and I carry a corn broom as that's always been my go to for grass fires. A former Fire Chief of our Fire Department bought a bunch of those bug swatters and probably paid too much for them none of us really liked them much and they usually stay on the truck as guys tend to go for the broom, backpack pumps, the two Stihl backpack style leaf blowers, and the 1 ton wildland truck/rescue truck. I'm not putting a foam system on my set up most Departments around here only put that on pumpers, tankers, and some wildland units but we usually have enough lakes, streams, creeks, and swamps to draft from....
 
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Not being critical of what you have built, just do not overlook spray rigs which are kind of designs and many of us have them sitting just not filled and ready to use. Depending on your sprayer keeping them basically filled with water and ready to go can help many.
 
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"Indians and brooms", ugh, the memories :( A setup like the OP's would have been a vast improvement.

It's amazing how effective a little water is on a grass/brush fire. Of course, that's the whole point of the Indians.

An alternative to brooms is a 1' x 2' piece of heavy conveyor belt bolted on to a broom stick.
 
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No actually I'm not over compensating when you look at how most firefighting rigs are built our wildland truck carries a 300 gallon water tank coupled to a 250 gallon per minute 2 or 3 stage pump with an 18h.p. Briggs and Stratton V-twin engine. There are a number of reasons for this other than shooting '30 feet' the first is to over come friction loss, not that I'm going to drop more than 100 maybe a 150 feet of hose. The second reason is if I'm drafting from a static water source I can actually do a long hose lay and put a serious amount of water on the fire if I really needed to.
Once I get around to it I'll get some more fittings for the larger pump and I'll install an adjustable relief valve that will allow water to circulate back to the tank thus preventing cavitation of the pump I just haven't had the chance to do it yet. The little pump still works fine and needs an oil change before I use it again it has also been very reliable as I've used it for a variety things ranging from watering the garden from my rain tote, to pumping out my backyard during the spring thaw, and washing out excavator oil coolers and radiators.
A tote would be nice but I'm not going to be hauling one of those around in a 1/2 ton truck especially when you consider I already have a slip tank in the truck box with a capacity of 125 gallons. lol

Really think you are over engineering this.... IF you can not put fire down with the 55 gallons it's time to make the 911 call, building for the static supply and it may not be there is probably beyond the capabilities you theorizing needing...

I have on my site, 5000 gallons of water storage, a hydrant with 2.5 inch hose connection for a "engine" and 1.5 inch connection(s) for as mentioned earlier Honda pump, and gas generator to run the well incase of power failure... Living in California dead tree zone makes one think alot about fire precautions... Look up Detwiler and Ferguson and Camp fires in California.... Also thinking of 100 (maybe 200) feet of 1 inch line and nozzle that may never be needed.....Very FIRST thing to do is call 911... Rather it be false alarm than let it get away from me and it's to late....

Dale
 
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