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Finally getting ready to purchase my first ever tractor. I have decided on. Kioti CK2610. What added items from the dealer should I really get? I am for sure getting the 4030 loader and the rear remotes and rubber floor mat. This tractor will be hydro. What else is worth having done right away?
Thank you
 
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Third function for the loader.

Ballast in the tires, rimguard is best.

Contact Everything Attachments, get a Wicked grapple.
 
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You have brightened up my evening. It’s not too often someone lets me spend their money! :)
Give us some idea of the type of work you will be doing with your new tractor so we can steer you down the right path. Tractor accessories/implements can be expensive if you do not use them.
 
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You have brightened up my evening. It’s not too often someone lets me spend their money! :)
Give us some idea of the type of work you will be doing with your new tractor so we can steer you down the right path. Tractor accessories/implements can be expensive if you do not use them.

We will plant some bare root trees every year along with some fencing, so I understand that I will need a post hole digger. Of course front end loader with quick detach bucket. We use ibc totes to collect rain water so it would be nice to have a good set of pallet forks to move the water totes around to water the trees. We have a very large garden and several raised garden beds. I will probably also be looking at a tiller, just not sure about forward or reverse type tillers. I'm also more so just wondering what I should order my tractor or have the dealer install for me at time of purchase. Attachments I can pick up as needed.
 
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..................We use ibc totes to collect rain water so it would be nice to have a good set of pallet forks to move the water totes around to water the trees.................................

Perhaps someone who owns owns a CK2610 can advise. I don't have experience with that tractor, but it seems you're asking too much from that size of tractor and loader.
 
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We use ibc totes to collect rain water so it would be nice to have a good set of pallet forks to move the water totes around to water the trees.

Smallest ones I've seen are 260 gallons. Water weighs around 8.3 pounds per gallon. 260 x 8.3 = 2,158 pounds

Lift Capacity at 59.84 in. (1,520 mm) Pivot Pin Height 1,835 lbs. (832 kg)

http://www.kioti.com/products/attachments/front-end-loaders/kl4030/

I know that's loader bucket lift at five foot, but I can't find lift capacity for pallet forks just above ground. You won't be moving full ones in my opinion. Half empty ones slosh considerably which makes moving them tricky.

Personally, I think you'd be better off with a tank/trailer or rig up a trailer for the totes. 2,500 pounds on a trailer seems a lot safer for liquids to me.
 
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On the pallet forks be sure to get the adjustable type. One never knows when a odd shaped pallet shows up with a width that is not normal.
 
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We will plant some bare root trees every year along with some fencing, so I understand that I will need a post hole digger. Of course front end loader with quick detach bucket. We use ibc totes to collect rain water so it would be nice to have a good set of pallet forks to move the water totes around to water the trees. We have a very large garden and several raised garden beds. I will probably also be looking at a tiller, just not sure about forward or reverse type tillers. I'm also more so just wondering what I should order my tractor or have the dealer install for me at time of purchase. Attachments I can pick up as needed.

Sounds like a great tractor and a welcome partner for your place. We have planted a lot of trees here in the years since enduring a 500 year flood right up against the house. At that time - flood time - we had a very nice heavy powerful compact 33 hp tractor, which I just loved for doing puttering work on the property But it quickly became apparent that it just wasn't big enough to deal with all the clean up and daily moving of downed trees, rocks, and endless buckets of wet debris. . we had to go bigger.... and then bigger again.

Just so you know, a 20 to 30 hp size compact will put an empty IBC tote onto a trailer or back of a PU....but a full ibc tote weights nearly what that size tractor does. Even if the FEL could lift that weight, it would be an even bet which one would go up - the tote or the tractor.

And keep in mind that when manufacturers quote max lift, that's with everything stationary and counterbalanced. Moving even a few feet can be tricky at anything close to max lift. For example, tractors only have brakes on the rear wheels. When you lift a lot, not only is traction to the rear wheels reduced, but so is side stability and braking.
If it helps you to figure what you need in a tractor/FEL, figure that you can safely transport something less than half the max weight that the FEL will lift. That's if the weight is in the back of the bucket..... If held farther out in front via forks, then the comfortable weight will be quite a bit less.

The same goes for a tote on a trailer. You don't want the trailer+tote to weigh as much as the tractor does.
Please consider putting the tote in your pickup and enjoy using that nice compact tractor for things within its capability.

On the post hole digger, my compact wouldn't handle a normal size post hole digger - that is, it wouldn't lift it high enough to get the tip of the auger above the ground. I tried several tricks to get the post hole digger to work but then found that the 3pt hitch didn't really have enough pulling force to pull the auger out of the ground when it went down over half it's depth. You may want to try that out for yourself before buying a post hole digger. I ended up buying a 3pt. backhoe, and later a frame-mounted backhoe. It was the hoes that finally solved the problem of digging in our soil.

Any tractor is wonderful, but if you have a choice I'd say to get yourself enough tractor at the beginning, and expect that the more you spend on the tractor, the less $$ experimenting you will do finding the right implements. And don't be afraid to involve the dealer.
Most of the rural dealers seem willing to have customers try out the implements. Or maybe I've just been lucky.
rScotty
 
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Finally getting ready to purchase my first ever tractor. I have decided on. Kioti CK2610. What added items from the dealer should I really get? I am for sure getting the 4030 loader and the rear remotes and rubber floor mat. This tractor will be hydro. What else is worth having done right away?
Thank you

I'VE HAD A 47 JD-A FOR YEARS AND MOSTLY MOWING---6' KING CUTTER. THAT WORKED WELL. I BORROWED A FRIENDS KABOTA 3300 AND LIKED IT. SHOPED AROUND AND FOUND A USED KIOTI DS4110 WITH FEL. I HAVEN'T HAD THE WEATHER TO WORK IT MUCH BUT SO FAR I LIKE IT.
 
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We will plant some bare root trees every year along with some fencing, so I understand that I will need a post hole digger. Of course front end loader with quick detach bucket. We use ibc totes to collect rain water so it would be nice to have a good set of pallet forks to move the water totes around to water the trees. We have a very large garden and several raised garden beds. I will probably also be looking at a tiller, just not sure about forward or reverse type tillers. I'm also more so just wondering what I should order my tractor or have the dealer install for me at time of purchase. Attachments I can pick up as needed.

A full 275 gallon IBC tote will weigh about 2300 lbs. Plus ~300 for the pallet forks. And the weight is centered about 2ft out from the pins, which reduces lift capacity. Of course you can not fill the totes all the way, and you should not lift them to full height, only high enough to move them. Besides lift capacity you want enough tractor weight to move around safely while carrying the load.

Pallet forks were the first attachment I bought after getting the tractor so I could use them to unload other attachments.
 
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Third function for the loader.

Ballast in the tires, rimguard is best.

Contact Everything Attachments, get a Wicked grapple.

+1 on all of that.

Along with all the other warnings about your ability to handle those totes of water.

If you're dead set on moving those (as full as possible) I'd suggest a set of forks for the rear 3pt instead of the FEL. Higher lift capacity, lower CG.

Also - along with the loaded tires, in order to max out what you can lift with your loader, you're going to need additional rear "counter weight"
- You could use the 3pt forks and a tote full of water (no additional cost over what you need now)
- You could buy/build your own ballast box (Limited functionality aside from some tool carrier type duties and extra cost)
- You can get a heavy rear implement - a box blade is the most popular choice. Generally they are heavy, fairly compact, and a useful attachment to have in their own right. (Most $$ option, good ones aren't cheap)

Best of luck with your new tractor, and from a fellow Kioti owner - Welcome to the pack. ;)
 
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For moving IBC totes with “some” water in them consider rear 3ph pallet forks. More weight capacity and safer.
For occasional digging post holes consider a gas powered auger. Probably cheaper than 3ph auger.
 
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Thank you for all the quick replies. I maybe should have been more in depth on things. The ibc tote is a 300 gallon that is only filled about halfway due to where the overflow hole was made. I also understand that 150 gallons at 8.33 lbs per gallon is over 1200lb not including the weight of the tote and metal cage. I was also under the impression that the front end loader had a higher lift capacity than the rear. Maybe I am wrong.
 
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Loader capacites usually have two numbers- breakout force and capacity at full height. Due to the way the geometry works, breakout (lifting from ground level) is significantly more than the full height lift. My Branson's loaders spec is 3500 lb breakout and 2100 at full height. If you lift something that requires less than the breakout force but more than the full height force, the loader will stop part way up and the relief valve will be triggered.
 
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Another question I have is, the dealer is going to install rear remotes for me, according to kioti they offer spring or detent...I'm not really sure what the difference is?
 
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Detent means that the valve will stay in one of the two 'on' positions (assuming normal three position valves). Like a loader valve's float position only on, not float. You'd want it if you plan on connecting something with its own valves like a backhoe or a log splitter. Most factory backhoes have their own way of connecting that does not use the remotes.
 
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A detent type will hold the lever in the “continuous flow” condition so that an implement which requires constant flow will operate; for instance a Backhoe needs a detent because when you use the remote you want the lever to be held so that the hydraulic flow is continuous however for a top and tilt you want a spring return type because you don’t need the flow continuously only when you want to move the implement such as adjusting the angle of a box blade.
 
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Hello, fellow CK2610H owner here.... Congrats on the new tractor!

When I got my tractor a month ago, the dealer would only install two rear remotes. The price difference for 1 vs 2 was something like $7 Cdn.
One of mine is spring centered, the other is detented.. You just have to be aware of the detented valve and not accidentally knock it to one end or the other, and have the pump dead-head against the quick coupling. I did that, and it took me a minute to find the issue, and I have extensive hydraulic experience.

Make sure you get the linked pedal - the linked pedal is a fantastic addition if you are going to do much loader work. I didn't get the "cruise control" and should have - I will likely add it in the future.
 

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