40x60x14 Shop

[JHurt]

Heck, I don't even have a shop but my wife (RIP) used to say that I do more to keep my garage and shed tidy than helping in the house. :confused3:

I've got a lady friend now. She'n not much to look at, but she sure has a nice barn.:laughing:

Cheers,
Mike

Funny how the qualities/benefits in women change as we grow older! Lol

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Heck, I don't even have a shop but my wife (RIP) used to say that I do more to keep my garage and shed tidy than helping in the house. :confused3:

I've got a lady friend now. She'n not much to look at, but she sure has a nice barn.:laughing:

Cheers,
Mike

Funny!

Kyle doesn't realize our shop is our bar.

No driving home drunk.

 

[JHurt]

Well we received the final bill for the shop build this morning (only charged me $120 extra to fix the run in with the tractor). He still has to finish the cabinet around the heater manifold, and paint it, then he will be done. I still have a ton of stuff to move in, but have been waiting on him to complete his part of it first. He plumbed my pump for the heater drain Saturday and it seems to be working good. I heard it kick on with the heater when I was out there yesterday. I'll try to get some pics of it if I think of it.
One thing I found funny talking to him this morning, he is going to change his tank water heater in his shop to an on demand like he installed in my shop. He is really impressed in how well it works.
I believe when I posted pics of the insulation going in someone made a comment about moisture control. I kind of blew it off, mostly because I'm ignorant, and also because I didn't think it would be an issue. Never been in a shop that had any kind of issue with being sealed up so good the moisture couldn't figure out how to get out. I have now! I washed my truck (with warm water) on Friday evening and it immediately turned into a rain forest inside the shop. I kinda chalked that up as "well that's me introducing moisture so I'm going to have to pay attention to that". I wasn't in the shop Sat or Sun (except to park the truck, and I hung out for about 10 min while the heater cycled), so I would have thought it had time to dry out. Fast forward to last night/this morning-I parked my company truck in there last night around 7:00 with very little snow and ice on it. Floor was dry this morning, but all the windows were covered in moisture, and when I raised the garage door to back out water ran out of the door. I have a small dehumidifier that I am going to throw out there and see if it helps any. I've thought about an exhaust fan vented to the outside, but it's going to have to move a ton of air. I'm interested to hear others thoughts on the issue. Will it stabilize as the concrete continues to warm? Right now I would say my concrete is around 75% warm. What I mean by that is, the center of my concrete slab is around 75degrees, but the outside is still 60 degrees, so I know that it's still not 100% warmed up. Thoughts?

 

[ovrszd]

Within a foot or so of the outside walls it won't ever get as warm as the center. In your case that will be more pronounced because of not having backfilled around the outside yet.

As to moisture control. It's going to be a struggle in this weather. I'm not a fan of exhaust fans (pun intended). For every cuft of air you evacuate you have to suck in a cuft of cold outside air.

 

[bigtiller]

Well we received the final bill for the shop build this morning (only charged me $120 extra to fix the run in with the tractor). He still has to finish the cabinet around the heater manifold, and paint it, then he will be done. I still have a ton of stuff to move in, but have been waiting on him to complete his part of it first. He plumbed my pump for the heater drain Saturday and it seems to be working good. I heard it kick on with the heater when I was out there yesterday. I'll try to get some pics of it if I think of it.
One thing I found funny talking to him this morning, he is going to change his tank water heater in his shop to an on demand like he installed in my shop. He is really impressed in how well it works.
I believe when I posted pics of the insulation going in someone made a comment about moisture control. I kind of blew it off, mostly because I'm ignorant, and also because I didn't think it would be an issue. Never been in a shop that had any kind of issue with being sealed up so good the moisture couldn't figure out how to get out. I have now! I washed my truck (with warm water) on Friday evening and it immediately turned into a rain forest inside the shop. I kinda chalked that up as "well that's me introducing moisture so I'm going to have to pay attention to that". I wasn't in the shop Sat or Sun (except to park the truck, and I hung out for about 10 min while the heater cycled), so I would have thought it had time to dry out. Fast forward to last night/this morning-I parked my company truck in there last night around 7:00 with very little snow and ice on it. Floor was dry this morning, but all the windows were covered in moisture, and when I raised the garage door to back out water ran out of the door. I have a small dehumidifier that I am going to throw out there and see if it helps any. I've thought about an exhaust fan vented to the outside, but it's going to have to move a ton of air. I'm interested to hear others thoughts on the issue. Will it stabilize as the concrete continues to warm? Right now I would say my concrete is around 75% warm. What I mean by that is, the center of my concrete slab is around 75degrees, but the outside is still 60 degrees, so I know that it's still not 100% warmed up. Thoughts?

When my shed was finally insulated and finished last summer it couldn't get rid of the moisture and it began to smell like a damp basement. When the welding table began to rust I bought a dehumidifier at Home Depot. That fixed the moisture problem for the summer but when the weather cooled off, the dehumidifier would freeze up when the inside temperature dropped below 65 degrees. The owners manual said it would do that.

So buy a better unit than this one so it will work in a cooler environment if it needs to.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/LG-Elec...-with-Handle-Dehumidifier-UD701KOG3/300773708

 

[3Ts]

There are "whole house" dehumidifiers that do not need to be monitored. They're plumbed with a drain and a humidistat.

 

[cat fever]

I'm just thinking outside the box here so don't beat me up to bad.

The air for the refinery where I worked had a desiccant dryer for all plant/process air. If you had just a small fan blowing garage air through a desiccant bag/pipe anything that would hold the pellets that's waterproof I think you could remove the moisture. It would build up and need to be drained frequently so keep that in mind.

 

[JHurt]

I'm just thinking outside the box here so don't beat me up to bad.

The air for the refinery where I worked had a desiccant dryer for all plant/process air. If you had just a small fan blowing garage air through a desiccant bag/pipe anything that would hold the pellets that's waterproof I think you could remove the moisture. It would build up and need to be drained frequently so keep that in mind.

I’m not familiar with that style of dehumidifier, I’ll have to do a little research. The specs on the one we have in the basement says it will do up to 4000 square feet so I’ll have to give it a try and see if it will keep up.

 

[ultrarunner]

Are Dehumidifiers expensive to operate?

No experience with them around here but in Washington State to shop is always damp and it is a problem for the antique cars big time.

 

[dstig1]

Dehumidifier would be a good idea. I added one to my shop and that was exactly what it needed for the summer. I don't worry about it in the winter as it is so dry that any snow melting off the tractor just evaporates into nothing overnight.

Most dehumidifiers that plug into normal 120V outlets are about like running a small refrigerator for electric use...as that is basically what they are...

Oh yeah - don't expect perfect heat uniformity. It will be cooler near the edges and towards the ends of the return runs, naturally. But no biggie.