Best gas engine oil.

/ Best gas engine oil. #21  
So you've been using one of the finest oils made for years and now you want to change.......that doesn't even make sense. I've used Amsoil since the 70's on dozens of big rigs, delivery trucks, cars, trucks, SUV's, tractors nd have never had and engine related problem. Went 15 years with one oild change on a 1982 Kubota not a typo fifteen years.
I buy it by the the 25 gallon drum.
 
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Yep, I'm changing. To be honest, I think Amsoil, Royal Purple, Redline, etc are overpriced. Really good oil but is it better than oil that cost $10 less a gallon? I started using Amsoil about 10 years ago and found some good data back then. At the time there were a lot of oils that were just as good or better than Amsoil, but maybe only one weight of oil would be better. For example maybe Mobil 1 had better than Amsoil results in 5w-20. At that time I thought as a rule the high end oils were better on average across the board. Keep in mind your results don't mean a thing. I'm not bad mouthing your results, its just you could have been using a cheaper oil and had the same results.
 
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There is another thread going that is about Wal Mart supertech oils. There was a link to some good test data in that thread. Not great results if your trying to pick an oil but it seems more of a test if the oil meets standards. There are hundreds of oils on the list and an amazing number of oils that don't meet spec. They were all oils I've never heard of and it seems all brand name oils at least meet specs.

http://pqiamerica.com/PCMO_Sample_Summary_12_15_2016.html
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #25  
I ended up getting Castrol Edge. It is a full synthetic priced at about $27 a gallon. I got it at Wally World and regular 5w 20 synthetic was a little hard to find. There was more of the high mileage oils it seems. I will probably get it from Amazon in the future they have a little better prices.

as you probably know, Castrol ( like many others) is hydro cracked . Not a true synthetic
It doesn't start out with a pure base oil. Just dino oil that has been refined xxxxx times to qualify it as a synthetic

I have used Amsoil for many years. I have never ran my oil out to one year oil changes.
Per UAO, the oil would not go that far between changes. About 10-15K changes per UAO is all I could manage to get out of the oil
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #26  
There is another thread going that is about Wal Mart supertech oils. There was a link to some good test data in that thread. Not great results if your trying to pick an oil but it seems more of a test if the oil meets standards. There are hundreds of oils on the list and an amazing number of oils that don't meet spec. They were all oils I've never heard of and it seems all brand name oils at least meet specs.

http://pqiamerica.com/PCMO_Sample_Summary_12_15_2016.html

Wow. That's quite a list.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #27  
Thanks for the link. It gave the green light on our Super Tech that we use in gas engines. Still with Rotella for the diesels.
 
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Did the first oil change with the Castrol today. I was a little disappointed with price when I bought it. It was about $8 less than a gallon of the Amsoil I had been buying. I discovered the Castrol was 5 quarts instead of a gallon so a little better price than I thought. It was amber and it poured so I doubt I notice the difference.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #29  
The best overall quality and value that I have found is WM's 100% synthetic gas engine oil.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #30  
What is the Best Synthetic Oil? - Best Synthetic Oil Guide

A few points.

1) I tried HARD not to be that Amsoil fan boy by purchaseing most of the top brand oils on the market over the years, but always came back to Amsoil.

2) For me it's the feel of each vehicle with or without Amsoil. I always used Amsoil in this particular vehicle and needed dealer service and without asking me they changed the oil from what I was using to whatever they put in. The vehicle ran like a completely different vehicle. the engine was louder, it vibrated more at highways speed, didn’t seem to idle as smooth etc. I dumped out whatever they put in it and the vehicle ran like it did prior to the dealer putting in their oil.

For me that was an immediate test from morning to the afternoon when I picked it up.

3) I purchased a new vehicle that turned out to be a Lemon. I already changed the oil on this Lemon at 500 miles like I do to all my new vehicles to remove any casting sand. I sued the dealer and the manufacturer for a replacement vehicle. In the mean time I vowed not to spend a dime on this Lemon in repairs or maintainance as I was sure in a few moths I would be getting a new vehicle, that's how good my case was. Well, three years later and 60,000 miles they settled and gave me a new vehicle. I never changed the oil again after that first oil change and the vehcile ran like it was new. The Lemon issue had nothing to do with teh engine.


4) This was on my diesel sprinter. Again always used Amsoil that I brought into the dealer to change when oil changes were due. One time on the road I didn't have the Amsoil so I said change it with Mobil one. Same exact reaction with my other vehicle that was changed from the dealer. It just rand "different" louder, more vibration etc. I did the same thing, once I got home from that trip I dumped out the Mobil one and the vehicle returned to "normal"

5) Last week I changed my Kubota 4060 that has only had Amsoil in it to T6 because of all the raves here on this site. Here we go again. The tractor sounds horrible and just doesn’t feel the same at high revs as before the change.

You guessed it, the Rotella T6 is going to be dumped out this week.

I still have various quarts of Royal purple, Red line, Mobil one, Castrol oil etc in the garage from testing on various vehicles.

I've spent many, many years "experimenting" to find the "perfect" oil and jumping at the chance when "fan boys" tout T6, Mobil one, Royal purple, Lubrication Engineers, Motul, ($18.00 a quart),Schaffer oil, Liquimoly, I've been through them all trying to get away from Amsoil. If the evidence was there for me to use a better oil, I'd do it, heaven knows I'm trying.

If any operator doesn't care or is not as in tune with their vehicle heck just put in the cheapest stuff out there and you will have zero problems as long as you follow the specs of who made the vehicle.

For me, what I spend on oil is protecting something that is worth far, far, more money that the few extra bucks I spend on oil over the stuff you can buy a 7/11.

I don't sell Amsoil, I'm not a dealer, and I could not care less whose name is on the bottle as long as it makes my vehicle run smooth. I'm getting too old to keep "testing" chaeap and or designer oils, 40 years of testing is enough for me.
 
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/ Best gas engine oil. #31  
One thing that concerns me the names can stay the same but the formulas keep changing. Rotella T6 has morphed a few times due to new requirements.

As long as the same placebo effect stays in place I am good to go with most any brand.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #32  
Use whatever oil makes you feel good, they are all good if you stick with major oil brands. I have never seen any difference in the sound of an engine with different oils, but maybe some folks have better hearing than me (definitely most folks can hear better than me).
I think any major oil will make an engine outlast everything else on a vehicle. It is not uncommon to find engine going over 300K miles regardless of the oil used. By that time, about everything else is completely worn out on them, if not well before the engine goes bottom up.
 
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I sure didn't notice any different sounds when I switched to the Castrol in my Daughters car.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #34  
There is no best oil. Pick one and stick with it. My 2004 GMC Sierra痴 5.3 has had nothing but Quaker State since the factory fill. My Scag gets Motorcraft 5W-30 synthetic blend from Walmart. The Mini Cooper gets Mobil 1.

Why not pick one producer and stick with it? if QS or Motorcraft or Mobil 1 are "best why use 3 diff brands?
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #35  
Why not pick one producer and stick with it? if QS or Motorcraft or Mobil 1 are "best why use 3 diff brands?

Where did I say any of the three are best? I did not. 2 are my choice based on perceived value for the required viscosity and the third is an emotional choice that is very likely an overpriced indulgence due to marketing and brand recognition.
 
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I know, another what is the best oil thread.:mad:

I will explain. I have been on the Amsoil tread mill for about 10 years now and am going to get off it. I am convinced it is a high quality oil but am not sure I need it any more. We have three vehicles and my kids have two plus my tractor and several small engines. I was doing a once a year change on all of them, which was usually 10000 miles or less. The good part is all of the cars and trucks now use 5w 40 oil now.

I will retire in about a year and will probably just go by the oil life monitor in the vehicles now. I have been running NAPA Gold oil filters which are Wix is my understanding. I have read they are high quality. For oil I am looking at either Castrol, Penzoil or Valvoline in full synthetic.

The problem is all the info I read about oil and filters 10 years ago is out of date or gone. If I search I get a lot of sites and reviews that appear to be more sales based. Are there any recent oil test results that are not sales based. I am also thinking about just buying what is on sale at local stores in full synthetic.


Not all synthetic oil is synthetic . Some is just refined mineral oil .
Just off the top of my head, iirc . Real synthetic oil is sold by Mobil 1, Amsoil, Royal Purple and Lubrication Engineers.

Synthetic oil - Wikipedia
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #37  
When was the last time anyone had an engine failure directly attributable to the oil in the crankcase?

We've had engine problems with oil NOT in the crankcase:laughing:. My wife (before married) seized the engine in her '66 Barracuda for lack of oil. I think even Wesson would have prevented that.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #38  
Where did I say any of the three are best? I did not. 2 are my choice based on perceived value for the required viscosity and the third is an emotional choice that is very likely an overpriced indulgence due to marketing and brand recognition.

Got'cha. Not being critical; just curious. I always treated my "babies" with "the good stuff". Usually I shop and use what's on sale if it's got a good reputation. I use Full Syn because the WRX requires it and I think it's better for the higher revving/compression/VVT of the 1.8l in the Miata.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #39  
It is a sign of it being slow boring winter day or cabin fever when somebody decides to stir things up with the "best oil", ethanol gasoline, lead substitutes for UL gasoline and treating waxed #2 diesel in the winter.
 
/ Best gas engine oil. #40  
Why not pick one producer and stick with it? if QS or Motorcraft or Mobil 1 are "best why use 3 diff brands?

I tend to agree with you but I wouldn't switch after using one type for a long period of time.

Quaker State is (or used to be anyway) a paraffin-based oil. So is/was Pennzoil (now owned by Shell, so who knows) and, IIRC, Kendall. They're from PA mostly

Most other brands, in dino oils, are from Asphalt-based petroleum.

Getting too extreme with engine oils can do more damage than good. I'd stick with using OEM recommendations as much as possible. Ford's semi-synthetic oils are pretty darn good oils, BTW. And at the dealer, pretty reasonable for an oil change. I've seen 600,000 miles on some of the old 4.6L engines in the old Crown Vic's and Marquis in Taxi use. In fact, some of them are still up and running. Engines have never been touched other than tune-ups and some of the plastic manifolds.

Running anything with a 0 weight rating is questionable, IMHO. Unless it's a Euro-weenie type car. Many of their engine blocks are acid-bored I think (BMW, Mercedes). Not sure if we're doing that over here. At least not since the Vega.

I'm a believer in synthetic oil but Amsoil got its start with some guy in the Air Force re-labeling Mil-Spec synthetic oil and selling it. They don't own any refineries. They don't have any secrets. They have good oil, IMO, but I think it's more marketing drivel based than fact based. Mobil 1 is hard to beat. So is Rotella T6 and Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme.

Just my opinions. And you know what they say about those
 

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