Economy Pto & Creeper

jk96 · Aug 9, 2018

Looking at upgrading my tractor from a compact Case 55cvt to a Case 75C utility tractor. Dealer has a machine on the lot without the Epto option. Since I will be spending a lot of time mowing with this tractor I'm wondering how you guys with the epto like it and would it be worth the wait for a new build in order to add this option?
Also wondering about the creeper gear option? I really can't think of any use for it but wondering if there is something I'm missing?

LouNY · Aug 9, 2018

I use the economy pto more then the dtandard

ericm979 · Aug 9, 2018

I never use epto. It puts the rpms below the "green line" for best DPF performance. Also I only have 32 pto hp and for some jobs like chipping wood I could use quite a bit more.

rngrrymd · Aug 9, 2018

ericm979 said:
I never use epto. It puts the rpms below the "green line" for best DPF performance. Also I only have 32 pto hp and for some jobs like chipping wood I could use quite a bit more.

Eric, I understand your reluctance to use e-pto because of the limitations you are having with only 32 pto hp but the model the OP is thinking about has 64HP at the PTO at 2300RPM. Full 540 PTO is achieved at 1,958 RPM and 540 E-PTO is achieved with only 1,592 RPM. The 75C also uses a DOC Catalyst vs DPF which helps as well with being able to run lower rpms.

jk96, It came with my tractor but unfortunately I am still not in possession of said tractor because I am waiting on the Woods backhoe still.......so I cannot tell you how well it operates. I don't think I saw a stock model anywhere in NH T4 (Powerstar) or Case that had the creeper gear installed already. They could be out there but I imagine you would most likely have to order a model from factory with that option installed.

Thumper & Buttercup · Aug 9, 2018

I like our T4.75 with out the e-pto, my tractor mowing is hardly working at 1958 rpm, I like that I'm not
lugging the engine and the Catalyst will stay cleaner running the tractor at that rpm. As for the creeper
try and drive the tractor at the dealer in the lower gears, mine in the low gears would do great bailing
hay if needed. I really like the stock gearing.

Agvg · Aug 10, 2018

Creeper gear are very slow so do you need to barely move? Usually is very rare to have that need in general tractor use.

mcfarmall · Aug 10, 2018

Could the E-PTO be a dealer installed option?

jk96 · Aug 10, 2018

mcfarmall said:
Could the E-PTO be a dealer installed option?

Not sure. Dealer is a family run business and they are out of town until next week. Will find out. There are a few options I would like to add to the unit they have on the lot.

1. Epto
2. 3rd remote
3. Diverter valve for grapple operation from joystick
4. R4 tires
5. 25mph road speed (+5 over standard)

I will be doing a lot of mowing with this tractor along with hard surface loader work and not so much ag type work is the reason for r4 tires. Will also travel a lot between 2 properties about 5 miles on a county hwy so the extra 5mph would be handy. As far as the creeper gear I don't know what I would use it for which is why I asked.

LouNY · Aug 10, 2018

If you look at the speeds of the creeper gears, the main reason for them years ago was vegetable farming.
Using the creeper gears for rotary tillers,
carrying people platforms for transplanting and picking.

rngrrymd · Aug 10, 2018

jk96 said:
Not sure. Dealer is a family run business and they are out of town until next week. Will find out. There are a few options I would like to add to the unit they have on the lot.

1. Epto
2. 3rd remote
3. Diverter valve for grapple operation from joystick
4. R4 tires
5. 25mph road speed (+5 over standard)

I will be doing a lot of mowing with this tractor along with hard surface loader work and not so much ag type work is the reason for r4 tires. Will also travel a lot between 2 properties about 5 miles on a county hwy so the extra 5mph would be handy. As far as the creeper gear I don't know what I would use it for which is why I asked.

I was told by a dealer that e-pto and 25mph transmission have to be ordered from factory. The dealer could technically take care of the rest but will they just swap the ags for R4's and charge you the difference or make you buy the R4's outright? Best bet is to go ahead and order the tractor to your specifications as the factory will do it for less especially in regards to the tire change. The CaseIH website does not have the Farmall 75C build & price page working properly so go to the New Holland website and run a build on the Powerstar 75 which is essentially the same tractor with a minor size increase in the steering pump. You can get an idea of list price and then compare it to the price dealer is quoting you and determine the discount off list you are getting. My dealer was pretty aggressive and sold the tractor at about 27% discount from list. The state of MN has a contract with NH and they get 30% off list and they buy a heck of a lot more tractors than you or I so if you can get 25%-27% discount you will be good. Most of the Deere and Kubota prices I got were about 16%-17% off list. hth.

deserteagle71 · Aug 10, 2018

jk96 said:
Looking at upgrading my tractor from a compact Case 55cvt to a Case 75C utility tractor. Dealer has a machine on the lot without the Epto option. Since I will be spending a lot of time mowing with this tractor I'm wondering how you guys with the epto like it and would it be worth the wait for a new build in order to add this option?
Also wondering about the creeper gear option? I really can't think of any use for it but wondering if there is something I'm missing?

Don't believe I've ever used the standard PTO. EPTO only. Even mowing 3' tall stuff with the 6' rotary mower the tractor just loafs along so I don't know why I'd ever use the standard PTO engine speed, given that would accomplish nothing but added fuel consumption. My tractor does have a DPF filter (which I believe the tractor you are looking at does not) and running at the lower engine rpm for the EPTO still gets me 30-40 hours between regenerations.

jk96 · Aug 14, 2018

Well after looking at options and really evaluating my needs I think I am going a little different route. Probably going to keep my Case 55C and look to purchase a skid steer. I'll use my 55C as a mowing unit and look for something in the range of an FM3012 - 12ft batwing finish mower. Its putting out 43 hp at the pto so I think a 12 ft mower will be doable as long as I'm keeping up on the mowing. A skidsteer just make a lot more sense for the amount of fork, loader, grapple work I'm currently doing with the tractor.

majorwager · Aug 17, 2018

Jk96

Befco offers a 110 inch finish mower, little narrower but very maneuverable because of 3 point attachment . Blades are also free swinging. Very HD and rugged tool, I mow headlads and paddocks w/ mine.

Bobcat offers a 770 model that is all wheel steer. Very turf friendly as the wheels turn. It can be operated in skid mode as well.

jk96 · Aug 17, 2018

majorwager said:
Jk96

Befco offers a 110 inch finish mower, little narrower but very maneuverable because of 3 point attachment . Blades are also free swinging. Very HD and rugged tool, I mow headlads and paddocks w/ mine.

Bobcat offers a 770 model that is all wheel steer. Very turf friendly as the wheels turn. It can be operated in skid mode as well.

Thanks for the info. Will look into both. Right now I'm in the process of figuring out what size machine I need. I have a lot of timber I want to clean up and a lot of dirt to move for some projects coming up at both my house and business. Most timber is hilly with some decent slopes in parts which makes me think a track unit is going to be best for my needs. I won't be operating on hard surfaces. Right now I'm considering a Case TR340 or TR270. Also looking at the kobota 75 and 95. I have both a case, NH, and Kubota dealer close to us. The bobcat dealer is about an hour away so I'm leaning toward case or kubota. I'm afraid the mid-size 270 may not have the weight I need for operating a decent size cutter, especially on slopes. I have a neighbor who had a kubota 75 and just recently upgraded to a 95 who is running a brush cutter on his so I need to talk to him about his experience.

jk96 · Aug 27, 2018

After a lot of surfing I've finally found a loader that might be worth a trip to take a look at. Going Thursday to look at a 2016 Case TR340. Loader has 1,100 hours on it and looks to be very clean but pics can be deceiving. Factory warranty until December of next year. Finding a used high flow unit has been tough. Plenty of availability on standard flow but a good clean high flow machine has been hard to find. Will post pics if I come home with it.

jk96 · Aug 29, 2018

Re: Economy Pto & Creeper......Update - Looking for a track loader now

Was able to get the loader history today. One owner and was an asphalt paving company. It was traded in for another track loader. Looks like 4 warranty claims all this year within 200 hours. First three were for a low def fault when def tank was actually full. Looks like the first 2 claims the dealer reflashed the computer and sent back to customer as fixed. 3rd claim for the same thing they replaced the sending unit. 4th claim was for an injector which was replaced. The notes on the 4th claim showed that the customer was demanding a loaner unit from the dealer. I'm assuming the customer was probably fed up with the down time and traded it in.

MickeyDBC · Aug 29, 2018

I have a 73HP Kioti with the ePTO and I use it 95% of the time. I have a 10 foot Shulte mower that gets used in a lot in high stuff and the ePTO makes it much more pleasant (and cheaper) than running at full PTO speed. Well worth it and all utility tractors should have it.