Conversely, if you approach a slower car in your lane, they guy on your LR corner will pick that time to speed up and s-l-o-w-l-y go by, just as you need to change lanes.
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DieselBound
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My practice is to seek out a semi to drive behind when traffic is really squirrelly because most people don't want to be behind a truck.
I also wish that people would understand that turn "signals" are to, as I was told when learning to drive, signal your INTENTIONS. So many people are hitting them AS they change lanes. Under breath I remark that doing this is pretty stupid as it is clear that I can see that they are turning! Like applying the signal after the fact covers them from stupid and aggressive lane changes!
BAD driving:
1) Tailgating;
2) Passing on the right; (and also many lane changes);
3) Driving in someone's blind spot.
#s one and two are likely the top two causes of accidents.
This all applies to hauling/trailering as there needs to be even more caution applied in these areas.
BigBlue1
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A brake checker should get arrested for causing an accident. Because that's what happened. And they should pay for the other driver's vehicle repair.
The whole problem comes down to respecting other drivers. First you have the person in front who doesn't respect that other people want to drive at different speeds and doesn't pull over (on a multi-lane road) when the opportunity allows. Then you have the tailgater that drives too close to try to make their point and doesn't respect the other driver's choices. Eventually you end up with an accident or road rage. The key to all this is the FIRST one who was not courteous and respecting of others. Because without the first person being stubborn or a self-imposed speed cop the rest would not happen. Just accept that fact that others don't share your habits and desires and try to not be in anyone else's way or make them do something unsafe. This goes for everyone. If the people in front weren't jerks the people behind wouldn't be either, in most cases.
DieselBound
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While I agree that it's not something that one should do, brake-checking, it is STILL the follower's fault as if they had not been so close the accident would NOT have occurred. If there is plenty of following distance brake lights won't cause another person to crash their car.
Sometimes it's just an ugly way in which someone has to learn a lesson. If it hadn't happened here with a simple brake-check it was for sure still going to happen, and perhaps in another case it would have ended up harming some totally undeserving person or people.
Sometimes it's just an ugly way in which someone has to learn a lesson. If it hadn't happened here with a simple brake-check it was for sure still going to happen, and perhaps in another case it would have ended up harming some totally undeserving person or people.
You are correct... but it doesn't follow that you are right. I've done "brake checks" since I've started driving; to ensure that the road isn't icy. Yet the FIRST thing that I do is check to make sure that nobody is behind me to even see my brake lights.
Driving laws are merely enforced courtesy, as my DE instructor used to say way back in 1975. Or has that changed?
Defensive driving is when you do everything that you can to avoid an accident, which is one reason why I've only wrecked once in 40+ years and about a million miles of driving. That one time was when I braked to avoid a deer. Yet some people will go to the utmost extreme to be at the front of the pack; i.e., the quickest way to get somebody to speed up is to try and get by them. I've had people pull over and straddle both lanes, or go from 45 to 80 on a truck lane to keep me from getting by.
I've even had people tell me that they will intentionally speed up to keep from getting passed. WTF? If I want to play games it can wait until I get home, and I can play in my horseshoe pit or pick up a deck of cards.
DieselBound
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Tailgating is aggressive driving and is basically assault (if continued). Again, the case where this idiot crashed from someone brake-checking is extreme; but, that tailgater is endangering other people. Hopefully they weren't seriously hurt, but also hopeful that this has kept them from actually killing someone else. There is almost no reason to ever tailgate. At what point do people say enough? After the tailgater has managed to pull someone else into their orbit of reckless endangerment?
People do stupid things. That's one thing. But tailgating is more than stupid, it's assault.
People do stupid things. That's one thing. But tailgating is more than stupid, it's assault.
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A great reason to invest in a dash cam.
DieselBound
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One would also need a rear cam!
My wife had someone pass her last winter. Road was snowy/icy. She was slowing down because there was a truck pulled off the side of the road attending to a car that had gone off the road (three guess as to why, the first two guess don't count!). The vehicle went by and immediately started fishtailing and almost crashed- they pulled out of it. Wife posted the video on a local board and got an apology from the driver (also a female). Turns out the driver wasn't able to slow down in time and had no recourse other than to steer around and pass. Obviously, they were driving TOO close!
DieselBound
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You're going hyperbolic. A quick brake-check is NOT slamming on the brakes.
I beg to differ that paying attention to what others are doing isn't necessary. Defensive driving is all about being aware of what others are doing.
And if you or anyone else questions my use of the word "assault:"
Assault legal definition of assault
At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.
I of course agree that the point is to stay alive. If I fail to maintain a safe buffer zone I am, well, in an unsafe situation. When one is passing another vehicle and has no other lane and someone is up tailgating it's a different situation than camping in the fast lane with other available lanes to move over to as someone comes up and tailgates you.
I beg to differ that paying attention to what others are doing isn't necessary. Defensive driving is all about being aware of what others are doing.
And if you or anyone else questions my use of the word "assault:"
Assault legal definition of assault
At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.
I of course agree that the point is to stay alive. If I fail to maintain a safe buffer zone I am, well, in an unsafe situation. When one is passing another vehicle and has no other lane and someone is up tailgating it's a different situation than camping in the fast lane with other available lanes to move over to as someone comes up and tailgates you.
I'm trying not to be one of the reasons this thread gets closed, which is why I deleted my post which you apparently are responding to. Yet how can you NOT consider braking because you feel that somebody is following too closely an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.... especially considering that that exact act resulted in the crash above? That motorist endangered not only the life of the person he perceived to be following too close; but also everybody else on that highway, who could have been caught up in the peripherial!
