Front end goes out again!!!

[vvanders]

But if you are in 2wd and your wheels are spinning and you pull the lever to engage 4wd while the rear wheels are till spinning. . . It will then.

It's like the 3rd post in the thread, he came to a complete stop before shifting to 4wd.

 

[bfloyd4445]

I'd agree if I hadn't seen every manual talk about backdragging the loader in an extended position(even in our '81 Ford manual!). Both the Ford and Kubota manual talk about ballast but neither mention anything about blowing out a front end and honestly I think we'd see a few more threads on it if that were the case.

Built plenty of consumer stuff over the years and you *always* design for worst case because if you sell ~100k units even that 1/1000 means you've got 100 pissed off people kicking up threads like these which can have a huge impact on how people perceive what you're building.

Yes I agree. So you have one of them new Fords, an 81....chuckle, my favorite tractor is my 75 Ford 2000 D. That little guy is a beast for its size.

 

[vvanders]

Hah, yeah it's a good machine but finding parts for the 1X00 series is getting pretty tough so it's going to be passed on here soon and we're moving up to a L4760. When the tach went out had to swap in one from a 1510 as there wasn't a single one available in scrap yards or new for the 1500.

 

[bfloyd4445]

Hah, yeah it's a good machine but finding parts for the 1X00 series is getting pretty tough so it's going to be passed on here soon and we're moving up to a L4760. When the tach went out had to swap in one from a 1510 as there wasn't a single one available in scrap yards or new for the 1500.

Did you try, is it, yesterdays tractor, forum? Antique Tractors - Yesterday's Tractors : Parts and Online Community I've found things here when desperate. I've had to manufacturer parts myself on occasion. A good friend passed on a couple of years ago that could make anything. If he couldn't machine the old part he would cast or machine a new one. Not many like him.

 

[AxleHub]

It's like the 3rd post in the thread, he came to a complete stop before shifting to 4wd.

Vvanders, the opening post was:

" I was picking up rocks with my little massey. Had a pretty good load in the bucket. Was spinning and slid it in 4 wheel drive. POP SNAP POP. Oil running everywhere on left front hub. What a piece of crap. Just rebuilt it about a year ago. This is the 4th time front end has shelled. "

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Vvanders, the opening post was:

" I was picking up rocks with my little massey. Had a pretty good load in the bucket. Was spinning and slid it in 4 wheel drive. POP SNAP POP. Oil running everywhere on left front hub. What a piece of crap. Just rebuilt it about a year ago. This is the 4th time front end has shelled. "

Yup, and post #12 pretty much summed it up!

SR

 

[JWR]

Yep, I agree. Everyone that uses a loader has felt the bounciness of the rear a time or two but i think most take that as a warning and adjust the load or proceed with extreme caution.
Don't you think so? Most learn from the experience

You need to keep this entire thread in perspective: Our colleague PhillipW has been badmouthing Massey/AGCO from the day he bought this thing. The majority of his posts are aimed at bad review of MF/AGCO. Yes, there is something wrong when the front axle fails 3 times or more. I would not be the first to suggest that breaking this tractor umpteen times might include the operator as a factor. It would save all of us quite a bit of time and verbal energy if he'd just sell it & have it over with. Sarcasm would leak out after a year or two of this -- maybe we can take up a collection and help him to sell it ?

 

[WranglerX]

But if you are in 2wd and your wheels are spinning and you pull the lever to engage 4wd while the rear wheels are till spinning. . . It will then.

But owners manual clearly states to stop tractor before engaging 4WD.... OPERATOR ERROR!!!!!!!!!!!

Dale

 

[WranglerX]

You need to keep this entire thread in perspective: Our colleague PhillipW has been badmouthing Massey/AGCO from the day he bought this thing. The majority of his posts are aimed at bad review of MF/AGCO. Yes, there is something wrong when the front axle fails 3 times or more. I would not be the first to suggest that breaking this tractor umpteen times might include the operator as a factor. It would save all of us quite a bit of time and verbal energy if he'd just sell it & have it over with. Sarcasm would leak out after a year or two of this -- maybe we can take up a collection and help him to sell it ?

Maybe we could buy him a Deere....Then he could bad mouth different manufacturer... At least he would be out of MF forum (hopefully)...

Dale

 

[majorwager]

It is true that Phillip is a very unhappy member and even more difficult to please.

I was under the impression that he and his MF have parted ways? Does someone have different information?. JUST DO NOT get him started on the attributes of Koyker loaders!!!!

 

[majorwager]

It is true that Phillip is a very unhappy member and even more difficult to please.

I was under the impression that he and his MF have parted ways? Does someone have different information?. JUST DO NOT get him started on the attributes of Koyker loaders!!!!

 

[JWR]

It is true that Phillip is a very unhappy member and even more difficult to please.

I was under the impression that he and his MF have parted ways? Does someone have different information?. JUST DO NOT get him started on the attributes of Koyker loaders!!!!

Phillip posted yesterday on this thread.

 

[cdaigle430]

:thumbsup:why is that so hard for people to understand<smile>.....the wheels are spinning cause all the weight is on the front axle then you slap it into gear with the engine reved somethings gonna give.

Exactly....and get this....if you don't learn the first time and do it again and again and it breaks again and again then what do you call the operator?

 

[bfloyd4445]

You need to keep this entire thread in perspective: Our colleague PhillipW has been badmouthing Massey/AGCO from the day he bought this thing. The majority of his posts are aimed at bad review of MF/AGCO. Yes, there is something wrong when the front axle fails 3 times or more. I would not be the first to suggest that breaking this tractor umpteen times might include the operator as a factor. It would save all of us quite a bit of time and verbal energy if he'd just sell it & have it over with. Sarcasm would leak out after a year or two of this -- maybe we can take up a collection and help him to sell it ?

Chuckle....I like your idea. the little massy's in my opimion are built stronger than the competion including green and orange!

 

[bfloyd4445]

Exactly....and get this....if you don't learn the first time and do it again and again and it breaks again and again then what do you call the operator?

Operator???....don't think so, demolition expert maybe, not operator

 

[ovrszd]

Each of us are hard on our tractors in our own way. Especially whem it comes to 4wd use. Did you know there are actually operators that onle disengage 4wd when on pavement??? Did you know there are operators that only engage 4wd when they are stuck??? Jeeezzzz,,, talk about demolition experts!!!!

 

[bfloyd4445]

Each of us are hard on our tractors in our own way. Especially whem it comes to 4wd use. Did you know there are actually operators that onle disengage 4wd when on pavement??? Did you know there are operators that only engage 4wd when they are stuck??? Jeeezzzz,,, talk about demolition experts!!!!

:dance1:...thats us

 

[zzvyb6]

After looking at a MF 1531 video, I'll bet this guy has the front wheels in a maxed out widest position. With a full load, I could guess that the bending moment on the front spindles would be enormous, probably enough to crack the parent metal. Turning sharp at full steer angle just adds more pain to the equation. Additionally, force amplification from the increased front track also puts a large F/A force on the front axle.

This is a load condition that may have been unforeseen by the maker. Coupled with an operator in a hurry, low tire pressures, fast steering, bucket full and tight turns, you get a recipe only a green or orange tractor can work with.

 

[Phillip w]

:dance1:...thats us

Bfloyd4445: you know good and well I will defend what is defendable and I did. I tried to give you the good and the bad. Some of these mf guys get a little "butt hurt" over their darling mf. Here is my opinion and it is settled as far as concerned. In the 1970"s Ford was building a pretty decent competitive pickup. In 1980-1983 Ford was selling a piece of junk. A lot of pickup suffered frame and suspension issues because they weren't rugged enough for the farm. Ford eventually got it together and got straightened out. But the quality of a 1976 Ford verses a 1980 Ford is no comparison. These new Massey's aren't half the tractor as the older Massey's. I'll give you comfort and ergonomic advantage, but rugged gutsy tractors they are not. I stated driving tractors about 8-9 years old. The brother and I were feeding small square bales to cattle. When putting up hay, my dad had the idea of pulling the wagon behind the baler. My brother and I were just too young to keep up and not loose a load of hay. So, my dad put me on the tractor and baler and him and my brother stacked on the wagon.(l got a lot of butt chewing trying to learn to run the tractor and baler.) I think was 10 the first time he put me on the tractor and baler. I'm retired now. So do your math. I believe of operated a tractor or two and have a little experience of doing so.

 

[bfloyd4445]

Bfloyd4445: you know good and well I will defend what is defendable and I did. I tried to give you the good and the bad. Some of these mf guys get a little "butt hurt" over their darling mf. Here is my opinion and it is settled as far as concerned. In the 1970"s Ford was building a pretty decent competitive pickup. In 1980-1983 Ford was selling a piece of junk. A lot of pickup suffered frame and suspension issues because they weren't rugged enough for the farm. Ford eventually got it together and got straightened out. But the quality of a 1976 Ford verses a 1980 Ford is no comparison. These new Massey's aren't half the tractor as the older Massey's. I'll give you comfort and ergonomic advantage, but rugged gutsy tractors they are not. I stated driving tractors about 8-9 years old. The brother and I were feeding small square bales to cattle. When putting up hay, my dad had the idea of pulling the wagon behind the baler. My brother and I were just too young to keep up and not loose a load of hay. So, my dad put me on the tractor and baler and him and my brother stacked on the wagon.(l got a lot of butt chewing trying to learn to run the tractor and baler.) I think was 10 the first time he put me on the tractor and baler. I'm retired now. So do your math. I believe of operated a tractor or two and have a little experience of doing so.

Your post brings back memories for me of trying to keep up with the flatbed while tossing little rectangular bales and doing everything fast enough to not miss any bales. Boy those bales got heavy very fast<smile>. We took turns tossing or stacking. Hard work and I wasn't very good at it. Long time ago. I haven't thought of those times in years but the memories are still there in vivid detail. Never ran a tractor until i was in my twenties.
I was comparing current models of small tractors not yesterdays tractors to the new MF and the new ones appear to me to be well built. I'm not crazy about tiny engines but that's the name of the game in our modern world. But we all tend to use tools for what they are not intended from time to time which can lead to catastrophic failure.