Posting Current Pricing of CUT Tractors from last 2 months shopping

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For the past 2 months I have have been hard-core tractor shopping. Based on info I gleaned from visiting different boards and what I feel my specific needs are I set my base target at 40HP for use on our 20 acres but kept myself open to any possibilities. In order to give myself the best info and experience with the different brands I visited roughly about 16 dealerships and test drove tractors at about half of those. I was specifically looking at cab models with A/C and heat since I don't want to be out plowing or snow-blowing snow in an open station at 0-30 degrees outside and I also required a loader, backhoe, 3rd scv for grapple, loaded tires, and 2 rear remotes. We are building a house next year and I will use the tractor to clear the building site, build a .33 mile driveway, install septic, dig foundation for the house etc. As time goes on the tractor will be used for food plots, digging a pond, rotary mowing, snow maintenance and well...u never know.
I looked at the following models: John Deere 3039R, Kubota GrandL4060 and L6060, Massey 1742,1749, NH Boomer 40 and 50 (no decent LS dealers around to compare), Kioti NX, NH T4.65 andT4.75. I found that a big equalizer is whether you are paying cash or financing as we are to conserve cash for building. Kioti, for example, had good pricing on their tractor but I could only finance it with 4.5% at the lowest point (using Mid-Atlantic Farm Credit). Kubota (the most expensive option but the nicest) was offering 0% for 84 months but you have to put down 20% up front. In the end, I was able to negotiate 1.49% @ 84 months for a brand new 2018 Case Farmall 75C. A little bigger than 40HP, but my wife likes the buddy seat and she approved.

1. John Deere 3039R Dealer # 1 Tractor List/Selling - $46847.70/$39511.70 Included Deluxe Cab with air ride seat, Factory installed loader with bucket, E-hydro, Mid-pto,
Stereo, R4 tires, power beyond, filled tires. (no 3rd scv or forks quoted - our 1st test drive)
Backhoe List/Selling - $10312.66/$8640.00 375A model (because of cab) w/24" bucket
Snowblower List/Selling - $6385.28/$5300.00 59" snow-blower w/front 3-point hitch

2. John Deere 3046R Dealer # 2 Tractor List/Selling - $51290.00/$43305.00 Included Deluxe Cab with air-ride seat, factory installed loader less bucket, 61" bucket w/cutting
edge, dual mid/single rear scv, 3rd scv for grapple, electric diverter kit, power beyond kit, mid-pto,
less radio, r4 tires, rim guard filled tires, e-hydro.
Forks List/Selling - $1148.00/S1075.00 By far the most expensive fork quote - even included $50 setup charge
Backhoe List/Selling - $9972.00/$9000.00 375A model (can't use 385A because of cab) w/16" bucket (was supposed to be 24" bucket)
Snowblower List/Selling - $6589.00/$5975.00 59" snowblower w/3 point and front pto

3. Kubota Grand L4060 Dealer # 1 Tractor List/Selling - $n/a /$54289.00 Included HST Cab with air seat, rear work lights, rear wiper, electric cab defogger, heavy-duty
alternator, dual rear remotes, mid-pto, filled tires, r4 tires, LA805 loader w/L2296 HD bucket, 3rd
SCV and L2262 Quick Hose Coupler, BH92 Backhoe w/24" bucket
Forks List/Selling - $n/a / $750.00 Land Pride PFL2042 Forks
Snowblower List/Selling - $n/a /$9145.00 L4479 74" Snowblower with manual front hitch

4. Kubota Grand L4060 Dealer # 2 Tractor List/Selling - $65848.00/$57250.00 Pallet forks were included with this quote not separated by dealer. Included HST Cab with Air-ride
seat, mid-pto, rear wiper, rear work light, defoggers, heavy duty alternator, 2 rear remotes, 3rd scv,
L2296 bucket w/cutting edge, LA805 loader, BH92 backhoe with 18" bucket (asked for 24"), L2262
quick coupler, K9048 36" pallet forks
Snowblower List/Selling - $9015.00/$8150.00 L4479 74" Snowblower with manual front hitch

5. Kubota Grand L6060 Dealer # 1 Tractor List/Selling - $n/a /$61157.00 Same items as L4060 except upgrade to LA1055 Loader

6. Kubota Grand L6060 Dealer # 2 Tractor List/Selling - $75588.00/$66500.00 Same items as L4060 except upgrade to LA1055 Loader

7. New Holland Boomer 40 Tractor List/Selling - $n/a /$39300.00 Included HST Cab, R-4 tires, filled tires, 250TLA2 Loader w/SSQA 68" bucket, bolt-on cutting edge,
3rd SCV, 925GBH Backhoe w/16" bucket, 42" SSQA Pallet Forks. This tractor cab came standard
with front/rear lights and wipers, 2 rear remotes, mid-pto
Snowblower List/Selling - $n/a /$6450.00 63CBSH front mount, mid-pto driven, included hydraulic lift and rotation for chute

8. New Holland Boomer 50 Tractor List/Selling - $n/a /43900.00 Same as Boomer 40. Upgrade to 260TLA2 Loader w/72" bucket and 935GBH Backhoe
Snowblower List/Selling - $n/a / $7550.00 74CSHA front mound, mid-pto drive, included hydraulic lift and rotation for chute

9. Massey MF1749 Tractor List/Selling - $44600? /$37800?? Claimed discount for CASH ONLY. Didn't like this salesman, your experiences with your Massey
dealer will be different. Included HST Cab w/loader and SSQA bucket, 3rd scv, 2 rear remotes are
standard I believe. A note for potential female drivers - the HST pedals hang from the center frame
instead of coming up from floor - my wife hated this tractor -kept her foot hanging in the air.
Finance interest rates were high from this dealer as well
Backhoe List/Selling - $n/a / $8900.00 CB95 backhoe with/24" bucket
Snowblower List/Selling - $n/a / $8400.00 MF1507 74" Front mount mid-pto driven

10. Kioti NX5510HCB Tractor List/Selling - $53915/$45070.77 Included HST Cab, Ag tires, Mid-pto, KL6010 Loader with 72" SSQA Bucket, bolt-on cutting edge,
bolt-on toothbar,KB2485 Backhoe w/24" bucket, 3rd SCV, 2 rear remotes, filled tires, draft control
Forks List/Selling - $n/a /$549.00 42" Titan Implement Forks
Snowblower List/Selling - $n/a /$7768.25 SB72A Front Mount Snowblower

11. Kioti RX7320PCB Tractor List/Selling - $59805.93/$49287.71 Included Power Shuttle Cab, ag tires, filled tires, KL7320 Loader w/self-leveling 82" bucket w/bolt-on
cutting edge, bolt-on tooth bar, 3rd SCV, KB2485 Backhoe w/24" bucket, 2 rear remotes, rear wiper

12. New Holland T4.75 Dealer # 1 Tractor List/Selling - $62380/$48065.00 Included Power Shuttle Cab with air-ride seat and Hi-Vis Roof Window, E-pto, 3rd SCV, 655TL Loader w/84" bucket, bolt-on
cutting edge, ag tires, filled tires, rear wheel weights, mechanical 3 point control at rear. Radio, front
and rear lights, front and rear wipers included, buddy seat, draft control, 2 rear remotes.
Backhoe List/Selling -$n/a /$9420.00 Woods BH90X backhoe less pto pump w/24" bucket

13. New Holland T4.75 Dealer # 2 Tractor List/Selling - $62380/$50300 2017 Model same features as dealer # 1 except this dealer (my local dealer) had no stock in their 4
locations and had to pull this tractor from another NH Dealer so he couldn't compete with tractor $$
Backhoe List/Selling - $n/a /$8710.00 Woods BH90X backhoe less pto pump w/24" bucket

14. 2018 Case Farmall 75C (the winner) Tractor List/Selling - $62380/$47200.00 2018 Model w/upgraded radio, rear wiper control on pillar and this model included lift-o-matic plus
for 3 point implements. Included Power Shuttle Cab with air-ride seat and Hi-Vis Roof Window, buddy seat, e-pto, draft
control, mechanical 3 point control at rear, 2 rear remotes, filled ag tires, rear wheel weights, 3rd
SCV for grapple. Front and rear work lights, front and rear wipers standard with this cab. This dealer
negotiated 1.49% for 84 mo financing from CNH Financing - 2017 Models don't get charged a fee but
2018 models get charged $2900. Dealer got that cut in half to $1450. Final price $465 less than
dealer #1 selling 2017 T4.75.
Backhoe List/Selling - $n/a /$8700.00 Woods BH90X backhoe less pto pump w/24" bucket

This is a long list but I hope this helps anyone looking for a new CUT tractor. At the beginning of this process I never would have dreamed I would buy the Case model - I was all Green or Orange it's going to be. I forced myself to look at all the models and really compare to see what is out there. The Kioti was close, a little plasticky in the cab, but without finance options it was same payment as the Case or NH T4.75. My personal favorite was the GrandL series from Kubota - I loved the extra Hi/Lo Speed selector off the steering wheel. I was worried about Kubota treadle pedal but found it was as easy to use as 2 pedal HST models. In my situation, the Kubota was too much on the high end with too much cash required from me to get the good financing rates. Once again, hope this helps those out there shopping for a new tractor.
 
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Congrats on the new machine. I just wrapped up shopping for a similar machine.

Quick question about the Kioti RX7320. I'm assuming the price you have listed on that one ($49287.71) includes the backhoe, hence the RX7320PCB? Does the price for the winning machine ($47,200) include the backhoe?

I ended up with the RX7320 $39,400 delivered, for cab, power-shuttle, 84" bucket, 2 rear remotes and loaded rear tires, wide spacing, block-heater, and additional rear-view mirror installed. Only have about 10 hours on it but so far so good.

The thing about the Case/NH I think I'd like most is the buddy seat. That's a nice feature...

Hope it gives you long, trouble-free service.
 
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Interesting thread with lots of useful information. I really like the Case line of tractors, but I'm hesitant because I have a Case dozer and they are horrible at supporting it. My local dealer also sells Mahindra, and for some reason, they push the Mahindra tractors over their own brand. That's weird to me, which is another cause to hesitate on going with them.

Good luck with your tractor and please keep us updated on how well it's working for you!!!
 
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Congrats on the new machine. I just wrapped up shopping for a similar machine.

Quick question about the Kioti RX7320. I'm assuming the price you have listed on that one ($49287.71) includes the backhoe, hence the RX7320PCB? Does the price for the winning machine ($47,200) include the backhoe?

I ended up with the RX7320 $39,400 delivered, for cab, power-shuttle, 84" bucket, 2 rear remotes and loaded rear tires, wide spacing, block-heater, and additional rear-view mirror installed. Only have about 10 hours on it but so far so good.

The thing about the Case/NH I think I'd like most is the buddy seat. That's a nice feature...

Hope it gives you long, trouble-free service.

Thanks, Wooly. It took me a few hours to put all the info into the post and then the forum changed how it looked anyways when it posted so the info is harder to read than I had it originally laid out. The Kioti RX I looked at was quoted with the KB2485 Backhoe w/24" bucket. For some reason the dealer had the seat mounted too far forward on the RX model and I couldn't adjust it back enough to give me leg room which made it uncomfortable on the test drive but it drove nice otherwise. Congrats to you on your purchase.

The $47200 cost on the Case did not include the backhoe. For that model I had to order a Woods BH90X backhoe which cost $8700 extra. When you added the financing charge, delivery charge (this dealer about an hour away from me) and a set of forks for $650 the final total came to $58225. I put $3000 down so we only financed $55225. I would have preferred a sub-frame mount backhoe over the Woods but the Case comes in at 6,240 lbs so it can handle it. For the first 2 years I probably won't take off the backhoe because of using it for working on building the house and the other projects we have.

One of the things I didn't state in the beginning of the thread was that my wife went with me and she also test drove every tractor. I wanted her to be comfortable using whatever tractor we bought so she could do chores/tasks with it if she wanted to as well. She liked the NH/Case models because she could reach all the pedals comfortably and since both of us grew up driving stick shift in vehicles she took to the controls like a duck to water even though it is a busy machine with clutch, range selector, shift control and accelerator. We both loved the buddy seat. If we have some work to do on the far corner of the property we can throw tools in the bucket and both hop in the cab to drive to the spot. Even the dog fits (sorta) so that was a huge plus for us.
 
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Rngrr.......

Very nice tractor, Is yours a 12 speed? And case does not employ DPF emissions, correct??


If understood correctly, the BH is NOT subframe supported? It is not tractor weight concern but strength of 3 point linkage. Does BH operate from tractor hyd circuit, or a PTO pump. ?? Wasn't sure about notation, - less pto pump? Caution hard use. Believe hoe COULD rip top link right off tractor w/ aggressive use.
 
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Rngrr.......

Very nice tractor, Is yours a 12 speed? And case does not employ DPF emissions, correct??


If understood correctly, the BH is NOT subframe supported? It is not tractor weight concern but strength of 3 point linkage. Does BH operate from tractor hyd circuit, or a PTO pump. ?? Wasn't sure about notation, - less pto pump? Caution hard use. Believe hoe COULD rip top link right off tractor w/ aggressive use.

Yes, it is a 12 speed Hydraulic Power Shuttle. According to New Holland/Case sites the 65hp and 75hp tractor size uses Diesel Oxydation Catalyst which I guess is a little different than DPF (seems like it does some type of regen still)but does not require any DEF fluid like the larger tractors. One of the nice things about this model is that you achieve 540PTO @1952 RPM and in E-PTO @ 1592 RPM so hopefully it will use less fuel overall. It is definitely quieter when running the PTO. I really liked the Kubota Grand L series but I did read they tend to use more fuel because of the HST. Also, this tractor has a 600 hour service interval which is great because I will building a large "shed" to house it in but right now the property is off grid so the less maintenance I have to do in the beginning the better (The downside to the Kubota Grand L - first service at 50 hours).

The Woods backhoe is 3-point mounted - no sub-frame mount is made for my tractor. The tractor puts out 12.5gpm on the implement side so several dealers told me I didn't need the 9gpm PTO pump to run the backhoe and could use the tractor hydraulics. You are correct as far as being careful with the backhoe and protecting the top link. The 3 point arms are rated for 3,664 lbs but I don't plan on trying to do stupid stuff right away like trying to rip stumps right out of the ground or pushing over trees with the tractor lol - Still comes with 7 years of payments so no use paying for a broke tractor. Woods offers 2 year warranty on the backhoe and they're supposed to cover any damage to your tractor as well if your tractor manufacturer doesn't want to cover. Warranties and getting coverage under those warranties could probably start another thread of craziness but I feel comfortable with Woods as a major name supplier of implements. Another plus to this tractor is the resale price is phenomenal on them. If I decide a couple years down the road the tractor is too big and I need to downsize I won't lose much money. I am finding used models listed that are 2-3 years old with 1,000 hours on the tractor for low $40's. Not sure if my wife would stay with me if I ever traded down - she really likes this tractor, lol
 
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Rngrr..

Thanks for reply. Two points. First if digging a foundation or a pond, both on the schedule, when you hook on a rock or hard clay soil, the tendency is to forge ahead and pull. Just need a little discipline to ease off a bit, take a smaller bite, save the top link.
What size buckets did you purchase? I tend to use my 12 inch and 36 inch grading buckets the most. Is a thumb an option? What type of pads on stabilizers? Be sure bucket teeth are replaceable.

As for the 600 hr service, I liken that to sales technique, Large OTR diesels using the same mindset. If there is a chance this tractor stays n the family long term, consider how long it will take to accumulate 600 hrs?

ME: At 50 hrs + a few, Change crankcase oil and filter Also I would change Hydraulic/transmission filters as well at that point. I also use Rotella T-6 full synthetic engine oil. Don't know if current hyd fluid is synthetic, but when you decide to change, synthetic is the key to longevity, it rhymes!!

You will receive different opinions on here BUT, I change engine oil at 200 hours or less w/ filter. Hydraulic oil @ 3 years or 300 hrs max, your transmission still has wet clutch pack, hydro reverser. There was recent thread concerning fluids, More frequent changes as opposed to less won the debate.

You mentioned resale. Nothing helps sell a tractor faster than confidence existing owner has adhered to strick fluid change intervals. A notebook record is handy, especially during warranty questions. OEM filters tend to substantiate those intervals, maintains contact w/ the dealer.

Suggestion: Ask dealer if factory hyd/trans fluid is synthetic.?? Good luck.
 
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Major, thanks for the great advice.

Newbury, I just signed the financing papers yesterday, have to wait about 4 weeks for the backhoe to come in and dealer to assemble and mount on tractor. I'll post pics on the property once I get her delivered. I wanted to get these price quotes out now while they are still fresh for those in the market and starting to shop so they can get an idea if they are getting a good price from their dealer.

It's fun talking about my new financial obligation but if anyone had questions regarding any of the other brands I looked at feel free to ask and I can give you what info I have. The only tractors I didn't really consider were Mahindra. LS doesn't have any dealers around me other than little lawn mower fixer guys and I didn't realize I have a decent Yanmar dealer nearby until later in the picture. The re-badged TYM's under Rural King are on the other side of the state so I didn't consider those, either. I swear if John Deere had a new 2038R series available in a cab I probably would have rushed out and bought it without thinking, lol, and it might have been a little small. It would do most of the tasks I need but take a lot longer to do them. Fortunately for me, but not my pocketbook, they seem to be playing the marketing game (I think they're scared they'll take sales from 3R series if they put a cab on the 2R too soon) so I went out and started looking.
 
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Rngrry......


One last point, if your tractor should need warranty service at the dealership, try to negotiate a reasonable flat rate, not hourly low boy trucking, for the entire warranty period, Folks can be shocked at the fee to transport a tractor, especially if several trips are required.


Many dealers are in the $90-$100 hr transportation fee rate and THAT adds up fast. Add rate, your place to dealership in writing as dealers can be "forgetful". If they deliver tractor now, do you pay transportation costs to have the BH installed when it arrives, or do they just drop off the BH for you to install?? Your tractor would be nesessary to lift off trailer, That would NOT be attractive to me.
 
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Major,

The dealer gave me a set amount for pickup of the tractor if needed for warranty service. The dealer also has mobile units that can come to my location as well. I also deal with guys in the building trades so I can lean on a few to help me out with trailering if needed as well. I'm not taking delivery of the tractor from the dealer until the backhoe is installed as well as the 3rd SCV and tires filled, etc. which will be about a month from now.
 
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Yikes! Serious money. I generally buy used equipment. I did buy one Kubota new, and I put it out to bid--wrote to 5 dealers and specified what I was looking for and the expected date of purchase. One dealer (300 miles away) was $4k below the other bids, so I hitched up a trailer and went and got it. For buying a new truck or van or tractor, just write to the sales manager at dealerships and request a bid; you might do much better than dealing with the salesman on the floor.
 
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Got pricing on Yanmar yt347 and 359 without cab, with FEL and with and without hoe. With rebate and markdown the dealer basically said it was all $10k off msrp. Got a 359 with FEL only ordered for $31k. I hadn't done a ton of pricing, but that struck me as a pretty decent price.

Looks like the 347 to 359 was $2k, and the OEM hoe was $12k and change.

Still thinking about forks, a grapple bucket, and filling the tires.

The biggest problem I've seen with a 3 point hoe is that it sticks out more and might be a little sloppy if the turnbuckle loosen. No reason you can't use power beyond with a 3 point hoe.
 
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Yikes! Serious money. I generally buy used equipment. I did buy one Kubota new, and I put it out to bid--wrote to 5 dealers and specified what I was looking for and the expected date of purchase. One dealer (300 miles away) was $4k below the other bids, so I hitched up a trailer and went and got it. For buying a new truck or van or tractor, just write to the sales manager at dealerships and request a bid; you might do much better than dealing with the salesman on the floor.

Email shopping is absolutely the best way to go. I've done it with new cars and I did it with my tractor. For the tractor once I narrowed it down to the exact model and options I wanted then it was really simple to put it out to the 5 Mahindra dealers in my area and make it happen. I had about a $3k spread in prices across 5 dealers on a $40k tractor.
 
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We are building a house next year and I will use the tractor to clear the building site, build a .33 mile driveway, install septic, dig foundation for the house etc.

Excellent write-up. In all honesty based on the work you would be doing I would have bought a decent used full size backhoe like a Deere 410, Case 580, etc and used it for the construction phase then 5 years down the road sell it and get the CUT for maintaining the property. If you buy something in the $15k range you would likely be able to still get at least $12-$15k for it in 5 years. I have a 1970's Case 580CK that I paid about $10k for almost 20 years ago and aside from minor stuff like hydraulic hoses it has been a workhorse. It has been used and abused and still works when I want it to. A CUT simply IS NOT on the same level of duability and work efficiency as a machine made for construction.
 
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Yikes! Serious money. I generally buy used equipment. I did buy one Kubota new, and I put it out to bid--wrote to 5 dealers and specified what I was looking for and the expected date of purchase. One dealer (300 miles away) was $4k below the other bids, so I hitched up a trailer and went and got it. For buying a new truck or van or tractor, just write to the sales manager at dealerships and request a bid; you might do much better than dealing with the salesman on the floor.

Yes, going to suck making that payment for 7 years but I'll save about $20k minimum in excavation costs in the home build - I could either buy the tractor now and use it for that or pay labor to someone else and still have to get the tractor in the end. Since I paid off my truck I'm just swapping one payment with another and we paid off the house 2 years ago so we have little debt right now. I think part of getting such a good price on the Case is that the dealer I bought from the 2 sales guys are the brothers that own the dealership so I didn't have a salesman hedging price to protect his commission. That does make a difference if you can get right to the sales manager or the owner. I bought my last car the way you said. I e-mailed 9 dealerships that had the exact vehicle that I wanted and made them duke it out for my business. Ended up buying the car from a dealer 2 hours away from me and it only took an hour to get through the paperwork. In and out. Just like the tractor purchase, I threw out a bone to my local car dealer and gave them my price I wanted and info on the dealer beating them. Unfortunately for the local car dealer as well as the local tractor dealer they couldn't come through. The local tractor guy got back to me whenever he was not busy looking for stuff for his big accounts - I was just an afterthought and it showed which is a shame because I wanted to give him my business.

I hear you, Groo. It's a whole different world of pricing when you add the cabs into the mix. Locks you into higher priced models from manufacturers as well.
 
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Excellent write-up. In all honesty based on the work you would be doing I would have bought a decent used full size backhoe like a Deere 410, Case 580, etc and used it for the construction phase then 5 years down the road sell it and get the CUT for maintaining the property. If you buy something in the $15k range you would likely be able to still get at least $12-$15k for it in 5 years. I have a 1970's Case 580CK that I paid about $10k for almost 20 years ago and aside from minor stuff like hydraulic hoses it has been a workhorse. It has been used and abused and still works when I want it to. A CUT simply IS NOT on the same level of duability and work efficiency as a machine made for construction.

You are right, TractorNH. I looked at going that route but a decent used backhoe around here seems to be more in the $20k range. The only issue again was tying up cash I need for other projects and not knowing if something major would go in the used equipment thus costing me even more cash. I have time to space out the work so I don't have to beat up this unit trying to rush it all in and I know it's not at the same level of heavy duty as true construction equipment. I have an ace up my sleeve anyways, one of my customers has a backhoe and said I could use it if I get in a bind and another customer has a Kubota mini-excavator that will help me if needed. It's now what you know but who you know sometimes, right? :)
 
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Excellent write-up. In all honesty based on the work you would be doing I would have bought a decent used full size backhoe like a Deere 410, Case 580, etc and used it for the construction phase then 5 years down the road sell it and get the CUT for maintaining the property. If you buy something in the $15k range you would likely be able to still get at least $12-$15k for it in 5 years. I have a 1970's Case 580CK that I paid about $10k for almost 20 years ago and aside from minor stuff like hydraulic hoses it has been a workhorse. It has been used and abused and still works when I want it to. A CUT simply IS NOT on the same level of duability and work efficiency as a machine made for construction.

I have a frame mounted BH for my Kioti and if I had to do it over again I'd pony up for a good used excavator. BH's are a pain in the $%# to move around if you really have something other than a small hole to dig!
 
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Tractor,
Used backhoe is good idea on paper but the resale you reference has been dwindling in recent years. They are also money pits and the issues manifest just when you most depend on the machine. Contractors are learning that a skidsteer and a mini excavator are much more adaptable for residential site work and they both fit on the 12 ton BH trailer. Maneuverability and minimization of collateral site damage makes this combo attractive. The NEW purchase aspect = minimal upfront cash outlay w/ machines under warranty.
 
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Groo,
Seems yanmar is as pricey as kubota. Are you sure of that $12k BH cost? Not really market competitive. I priced a 359 two years ago, over $40K w cab.

As for 3 point BH. Stabilizers loosening isn't an issue. I have a 10 ft BH I can 3 point or use the subframe channels and the outriggers prevent unwanted lateral movement. The concern is top link stress which requires operator discretion.

Don't know why power beyond is a concern? O P will use one of his rear remotes which are always live. The loader circuit on modern tractors always use a power betond valve, so there is no impact or restriction to rear remotes? Note sure of the issue?
 

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