Thoughts on ****** Harrasment...

[ultrarunner]

I'm going out on a limb here but it just seems there is no end to ****** harassment stories these days and wanted to relate the other side...

My good friend and co-worker was visiting his parents when two deputies knocked on the door... my friend opened the door and the deputies asked for Bill Smith... my friend said Senior or Junior?

The deputies looked at the paper work and said born in 1949... ok... senior.

My friend said Dad, the police are here to see you... Dad comes to the door in his wheel chair and the deputies looked perplexed.

The Sheriff had culled the files looking for predators and Bill Smith Senior's name came up... and there was silence.

Now here is the rest of the story...

Bill was 18 and about to ship out to Vietnam... his girlfriend was just shy of 18.

Bill and his girlfriend eloped without her parents permission... totally wrong... I get that and it happened in 1968.

The girls father was livid... old school Portuguese and raised ****... he wanted the marriage annulled and the Bill arrested for the Mann Act... transporting a minor across State Lines...

Bill was in the service so the DA was in no hurry and the Bill's wife wanted no part of it and her mother was silent...

Anyway... shortly after Bill Junior was born in 1969 the parents softened some... Bill sent all his pay to his wife and whatever else he could do... including life insurance... wrote all the time and she had the stack of letters to prove it.

So 50 years after the deed and 50 years of marriage producing one child this all comes back and Bill Senior has to register as a *** offender

This story and what I read in the media has got me thinking there has to be a statute of limitations... going back 50 years is just plain crazy as is waiting decades to speak up...

Don't get me wrong... but it just seems like common sense.

 

[tonyq60]

That one makes sense as folks made noise at the time.

Today's witch hunt are folks who MAY have used the tools they were born with to seek advantage and things may not have went as planned but due to their actions did not make noise as it would have clear maybe the actions then long time later folks make noise.

If an action is rape or assault it needs to be addressed at the time and usually was.

The Witch hunt is making harder for valid victims to be taken seriously.

 

[ultrarunner]

The Witch hunt is making harder for valid victims to be taken seriously.

Good point... never considered that.

I work in an industry often dominated by women... one male to nine females is about where the Hospital staffing it right now and about 50/50 for docs... all of the managers at my site plus most of the senior corp are women.

We had one paramedic the younger women were just relentless... every time he had a drop off they would give him a bad time... one of the techs boasted in the break room she can get any man she wants.

I can only imagine what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot...

For decades the men's and women's locker rooms were kept well stocked with scrubs by Central Services... the woman who maintained the area was never an issue... always knocked before entering the men's locker and if a Doc needed help she would make sure to have the scrub or cap he preferred.

When she retired, her replacement was male... that last all of one day... he did nothing wrong and was well liked... had a family and 3 girls... the women went to management and said it was not appropriate for a man to restock the scrubs...

Yet, not a single male Doctor ever complained about Rosa stocking the men's locker room... and it was not even the older nurses or any of the women Docs complaining... the ones that complained were under 30 women...

 

[rustyshakelford]

Man what a shame for ole bill. It’s getting ridiculous. Our patriotic enthusiasm is being replaced with a victim mentality. Before you know it women are going to be getting upset when nobody gives them attention and start raising cane then

Brett

 

[Rustyiron]

Yet, not a single male Doctor ever complained about Rosa stocking the men's locker room... and it was not even the older nurses or any of the women Docs complaining... the ones that complained were under 30 women...

To me, these women are un-doing alot of the gains from "women's liberation" of the past 30+ years and like mentioned, making a real victim questionable. I wonder what this will do for women in a work situation that is mostly male, perhaps like many offices. Would a smart manager add more women to the mix if a position became open, or just nudge it towards an all male staff? The answer is obvious with today's "me too" attitude.:confused3:

 

[Looking4new]

I don't know about the rest of the country, but in this Province you had better not whistle at a woman walking down the street. That very act in itself will get you charged with ****** harassment.

 

[Deere Dude]

I don't know about the rest of the country, but in this Province you had better not whistle at a woman walking down the street. That very act in itself will get you charged with ****** harassment.

Dang, that's bad. Around here a lot of women live for those moments. Society is trying to neuter all males..

 

[Thomas]

Now what if coin was flip over...woman bent over just little bit light top shirt and walks by and smiles w/a touch...what good for the goose is good for the gander as they say...this to shall pass on to something else new.

I shall place my hands on R4 rear tires anymore.

 

[3930dave]

This bbc op-ed articulates a number of points well....

Why women fear a backlash over #MeToo - BBC News

..... including one of the first things I thought of..... Pence got it right ! The Pence rule broke in the news well before #metoo took off. He took some criticism at the time for being out of touch, old-fashioned...... but was obviously astute enough to recognize the minefield he was walking through.

This topic came up recently where I work. My boss's comment (female boss, in a male dominated industry) - "Use some common sense". Depending where you work, that is getting harder to do.

Any actual assaults need to be dealt with rigourously, by both the police and the courts. As touched on in the bbc article slightly - what is considered assault though ? Depending on who is involved (world view, social agenda, cultural background....) a simple pat on the shoulder may be a problem, or no big deal....

Can't say I've formally studied the stats (stoneypoint level), but I've often seen in print that actual cases of rape tend to go under-reported, for a variety of reasons. The systemic factors that cause that under-reporting deserve attention, and it can take something as publicly messy as this to drive change.....

At the other extreme, one thing that came to mind is the Salem Witch Trials. With the trawler net that is out there now, there will be some collateral damage involving innocent people. Lives and careers can be wrecked by nothing more than somebody with a (unrelated to the accusation) score to settle.

Notice that I said "people" in the previous paragraph. There is usually a "spin" to what is going on, that I often find troubling..... ur's example of the male paramedic is apt - women are also quite capable of ****** harassment and assault - want to talk about under-reporting of assault ? That paramedic's situation would be a good example.

Back to my boss's point about common sense (or, as I've taken to calling it, UNcommon sense.....)..... I was reading a thread about workplace issues on another site, that struck on real vs. perceived "problems". It contrasted insults on the shop-floor (amongst workers who knew each other well enough to have a friendly exchange - think of the barber-shop scene in Gran Torino....) with actual (but well disguised) discrimination being practiced in the executive suites..... as a worker, I know which situation I'd sooner deal with.....

I don't have an issue with closed door meetings or working alone with my female boss. Even w/o the recent media climate, that is not something I do blindly. We both happen to be people with our heads screwed on well - definitely not something I assume lightly.

I know plenty of women who (for reasons unrelated to this thread) prefer to work with men. Some of the issues we've touched on here are causing men to reconsider their view of the workplace.

Rgds, D.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

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[2LaneCruzer]

P.S. It seems to me that in order to register someone as a *** offender, there should have been an adjudication to that effect. If I read your post correctly, charges may have been filed, but no action taken. If they pursue this, I would contact a good attorney; public officers can be sued you know, for doing things they are not entitled by law to do.

 

[/pine]

If a man makes suggestive comments to a women he is charged with harassment...if a women makes suggestive comments to a man...he is charged $3.95 a minute...!

 

[Peter 315]

If a man makes suggestive comments to a women he is charged with harassment...if a women makes suggestive comments to a man...he is charged $3.95 a minute...!

true

 

[ustmd]

P.S. It seems to me that in order to register someone as a *** offender, there should have been an adjudication to that effect. If I read your post correctly, charges may have been filed, but no action taken. If they pursue this, I would contact a good attorney; public officers can be sued you know, for doing things they are not entitled by law to do.

Yeah--I am going to waive the BS flag on this one as well.

 

[rekees4300]

I think because of ****** harassment many people are getting screwed.

 

[Snobdds]

Clearly we are experiencing a sea change with respect to the tolerance (i.e., severe lack thereof) of harassment behavior, mostly by men upon women, in the workplace. I expect we'll spend months or more clearing out the inventory of past sins, and dishing out justice to the perpetrators.

However, I also expect to see a very quick change in the behavior of all men in the workplace, out of simple self-preservation, that will decrease their interaction with women with whom they work with in any form. I would be surprised if we didn't see men acting much more puritan than the dictates of rules would imply, and that women will truly endure an extended period of decreased opportunity due to their exclusion from interactions with the men they work with, or the new antiseptic nature of the interactions they will be having.

I'm not trying to make a value judgment here, rather a sociological observation that forces have been put in play that will radically alter the work landscape for the foreseeable future. Women will be more protected from the unwanted interactions from men, but will also be more marginalized by the disparate treatment of them versus their male counterparts.

It troubles me to conclude that the workplace will become significantly less fair for the women within it. No man in power will want to associate with other females out of fear of retribution or a ticking harassment time bomb waiting to go off

 

[blackrams]

To me, these women are un-doing alot of the gains from "women's liberation" of the past 30+ years and like mentioned, making a real victim questionable. I wonder what this will do for women in a work situation that is mostly male, perhaps like many offices. Would a smart manager add more women to the mix if a position became open, or just nudge it towards an all male staff? The answer is obvious with today's "me too" attitude.:confused3:

I don't know your age but, the Women's Liberation movement really gained momentum after the "****** Revolution" of the 60s.
I would never suggest that a woman can't do a man's job but, it really depends on the job and the woman's capability. So, hiring managers will no doubt continue on the path they have been on for years. That is, hiring (from the available pool) those that meet the hiring manager's idea of who they want to work with. BTW, most HR managers are women.

This I know, I have changed the way I deal with women. There are women I used to joke around with. No longer. I'm not even running for office. :confused2: IF I was running for office, no doubt someone would bring up Sally who I used to date and say I did something. I probably did but, that doesn't mean Sally wasn't willing. BTW, there never was a Sally.

We're all ****** aggressors or have been at some point in our lives, I don't care who you are. That doesn't mean we're all ****** predators. Although I am semi-retired, I still work a part time job. Knowing I'll be fully retiring in less than a year, I decided to figure out who I wanted to train to replace me in my part time position. Yeah, I have that capability. The boss really does trust my judgement, I used to be his boss.

Regardless, I chose a women in what is mostly considered a male dominated company. I chose her for all the right reasons. she's smart, reliable, capable and very willing to learn. Some of the other folks that work there think I chose her for other reasons. :mur: :irked: Not much I can do about that. But, I am very careful about what I say and do with this lady, one never knows...........

Women (in general) have always had the advantage but are now using our "social conscience" to undermine conservative values. Personally, I blame Liberals but, that's just my opinion. Before I condemn a man of the things Candidate Moore was accused of, I'd like to see some evidence from at least this decade.

Rams

 

[ultrarunner]

P.S. It seems to me that in order to register someone as a *** offender, there should have been an adjudication to that effect. If I read your post correctly, charges may have been filed, but no action taken. If they pursue this, I would contact a good attorney; public officers can be sued you know, for doing things they are not entitled by law to do.

I think it was a prima facie case... he was over 18 she was under, they married and parents did not consent.

The part about nothing happening was more towards he was in Vietnam so no effort to extradite happened... he might not even come back as was the case for their friend... they all went to High School together.

I had met his father and mother several times... we use to have a company family BBQ each summer and they were always there... a nice couple and then married for decades...

My surprise and that of the deputies is they were wasting time going back 40 years but that is what they were tasked with...

 

[ultrarunner]

Clearly we are experiencing a sea change with respect to the tolerance (i.e., severe lack thereof) of harassment behavior, mostly by men upon women, in the workplace. I expect we'll spend months or more clearing out the inventory of past sins, and dishing out justice to the perpetrators.

However, I also expect to see a very quick change in the behavior of all men in the workplace, out of simple self-preservation, that will decrease their interaction with women with whom they work with in any form. I would be surprised if we didn't see men acting much more puritan than the dictates of rules would imply, and that women will truly endure an extended period of decreased opportunity due to their exclusion from interactions with the men they work with, or the new antiseptic nature of the interactions they will be having.

I'm not trying to make a value judgment here, rather a sociological observation that forces have been put in play that will radically alter the work landscape for the foreseeable future. Women will be more protected from the unwanted interactions from men, but will also be more marginalized by the disparate treatment of them versus their male counterparts.

It troubles me to conclude that the workplace will become significantly less fair for the women within it. No man in power will want to associate with other females out of fear of retribution or a ticking harassment time bomb waiting to go off

I'm not an expert and certainly not on this subject...

What I have seen in my career is that both men and women act very much the same if the numbers are there...

What I mean is my time at the tool and die shop there were 40 men and one woman... and older grandmother type that was the bookkeeper and the men respected her very much... she was old enough to be some of their grandmothers...

Now, if a young women happened to come in or make a delivery or drop off or was a young engineer it would be food for talk in the break room... the guys were relentless commenting about her attributes or lack of... and yes some would be vocal... in other words matching the stereotype

What surprised me and maybe what few realize given the reverse situation it is much the same... at least from working in an environment where 90% of the staff and all management are female...

I'm embarrassed by some of what I hear... even to parts of male anatomy in surgery or they would do so and so... referring to one of the ortho reps.... who played one season of pro ball....

 

[ultrarunner]

Yeah--I am going to waive the BS flag on this one as well.

California and specifically the SF Bay Area just might surprise you as to what is and isn't...

The order went out to cull the files for ****** predictors... there is no statute of limitations if deemed a predictor unless expunged which is a legal proceeding... matters not that two involved were much in love and spent a lifetime together...

They wanted to marry and they wanted to marry before he went to Vietnam... remember this was the 1960's in the belly of the beast... the SF Bay Area where you couldn't turn around without the war being news...