New hay farm

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I just got offered to bail hay on about 5 acres in northern Arkansas. Never bailed hay a day in my life. It is something I would like to get into. So my question is how? Is it worth it? Who would I sell to?

Things I (think) I know:
I need a bigger tractor. Mine is only 38HP (30pto).
I also need everything else to cut, ted, bail.

If you were starting a hay business what would you purchase?
 
   / New hay farm #2  
Sorry but I don't know. I would like to know so will watch this thread for information.
 
   / New hay farm #3  
I have less tractor than You and still get the job done easily. I run a vintage NH 479 mower ($2,000), a really vintage JD 14T baler ($500) a NH 55 rake ($600) and a NH 1012 stackwagon ($2300). Wear and tear parts come from Rural King or TSC or the JD dealer or ebay.

Lot more fun if you have help from customers, neighbors, or teenagers. I get $3 - $4 per bale depending on delivery or help. Put up 600 - 700 bales per year. do the math.. Run it as a 'business' for tax reasons. I sell out every year. Most customers have been with me for 20 years or more. Buy tools, welder(s), air compressors, you name it, to support the farm. The only skill you need is to read the weather. Just about all weather forecasts are entertainment value, not hay production value.

Best approach would be to tag along with a small, local hay producer to see what is involved. High value if you have animals of your own to feed.
 
   / New hay farm #4  
Well here is my take. If you purchased a older tractor say 50- 80 horse, that tractor would do the bulk of the work and save your smaller tractor. You could use your smaller tractor for a back up, light task like raking and picking up bales. Some good older tractors for haying include John Deere 60, 720, 730, 3010, 3020, 4010 and the 4020. All the tractors were economical to operate, pretty rugged, and good for pulling a swathers and baler. The 60, 720 and 730 were great hauling tractors but really really light on the front end. In the hay field you would be fine, but say you tried to pull out the neighbor who got stuck in the mud, the you have to be careful because the front of the tractor tends rare up.
Not a John Deere fan. Ih made a 560 and a 656. Both are pretty food haying tractors.
Case made an 800, 730, 830, 930, 870 and 970. These would also be good haying tractors. I have an allis Chalmers 185 and it does a good job on a swather and baler.
These newer tractors based on experience are not near as rugged and tough they are sold as and true grit of yesterday's tractor.
As far a a cheap dependable and reliable swather, I kind of like the John Deere 1209. Keep your guards replaced and sickle sections sharp is the secret to cutting hay.
As far as balers go, both John and New Holland have made pretty good balers over the years. John Deere had the 14t, 24t I think a 224, 336 and 346. If I got my numbers right, all were good balers. New Holland made a 268 and a 273. They were good balers. Two thing or problems with balers. One you run too much hay in to fast choke the baler down and shear a pin. No harm done, just a pain in the rear unplugging the baler. Another issue, especially if the baler has had 1000 (s) of bales put through it is knotter trouble. The knotters can be really touch. If the baler is tying, it ain't broke don't try and fix it. If you start having knotter trouble, it can drive you crazy and generally takes someone who has been around a lot of balers to get it straightened out and tying again. When it comes to balers knotter issues can be a very common very frustrating problem. Ih and mf both made balers, but have limited experience with them. Case made a baler, and I'm not to proud of that one.
As for a rake, I would just pick up a little ground powered side delivery rake. John Deere, mf, i think new Holland all made them. New Idea made one and it is a dinosaur model. If you find one of those, it just maybe on steel wheels. Hope this info is helpful. I will try to answer any questions you may have.
 
   / New hay farm #5  
Search through my threads, I am doing it with 26.5 HP PTO at 6500 feet elevation. You have enough tractor, but not enough acerage if you plan to make any money.

My thoughts
Drum mower to cut - sickle will work too.
Tedder
Rotary rake (11'swatrh)
Inline baler or new MF round baler - (only required 30HP)
Hay grapple for picking up and stacking on a trailer or hay wagon which you will also need
Last - a place to store the hay and keep it dry
 
   / New hay farm #6  
I used to pull a NH square bailer with my AC WD (look to the left for size and weight). I came out OK when someone gave me a field of hay free to get it off of his land. The one time I charged by the bale, I charged too little and took a beating. Cutting, raking, and, bailing each require a trip over the field so keep that in mind when you set your price. I never tried it, but, have often thought it would be more profitable and less hassle to simply rotary mow land than to bale hay. Good luck.
 
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I pulled a swather and baler with a allis Chalmers d-15. Yeah it did it, bout beat you to death. I seen a guy pulling a 268 new Holland with a little Kubota may be 25 horse I'm guessing. He got buy, but eventually started having tractor trouble. Don't know if related to baling or not. I just like a little bigger tractor on a swather and baler. Seems like things go better especially it you put up a lot of hay like 40 acres or more.
 
   / New hay farm #9  
I think even if I had all the hay equipment I needed sitting in the yard, I would not waste my time baling 5 acres. But contemplating buying hay equipment on top of only having 5 acres to cut, I would pass.

There is hay equipment out there designed to run off of small SCUT and CUT's, I was given a few links when I was looking to mow and hay ~15 acres. The prices are a real eye opener.

Mini Hay Balers and Compact Hay Balers | Small Farm Innovators

Tractor Tools DirectHaymaking and pine straw baling equipment for compact tractors. Drum Mowers - Belt Rakes - Mini Round Balers

And for square bales, where was this thing when I was a kid:

Rocky Mountain Bale Sweep | Home

Even keeping the tractor you have, I can't see you "breaking even" on hay for many years.

We still may get into it ourselves, but we're looking at a few 40+ acre places right now. Even then, it's going to be a money loser for several years I think.
 
   / New hay farm #10  
Search through my threads, I am doing it with 26.5 HP PTO at 6500 feet elevation. You have enough tractor, but not enough acerage if you plan to make any money.

My thoughts
Drum mower to cut - sickle will work too.
Tedder
Rotary rake (11'swatrh)
Inline baler or new MF round baler - (only required 30HP)
Hay grapple for picking up and stacking on a trailer or hay wagon which you will also need
Last - a place to store the hay and keep it dry
With a swather, you won't need a tender. The is a lot of hay put up in Kansas and I can't think of anyone that has one. As far as an inline baler, seen on at a massey dealer, did not think much of it. It was a hesston ( agco got mixed up with hesston). With an inline baler it is a lot harder to turn and watch the baler and see what is going on. The next issue is tractor clearance. A 50 hp + tractor will generally clear a wiindrow while some of these newer tractors do not have the ground clearance to clear a wiindrow. Handling hay: if you have the help and a couple 4 wheel farm wagons, you can pull the wagon behind the baler. (This is another place a 50 hp tractor come into play). Another option if you have the help is a Ferris wheel loader. They are getting hard to find, but the are simple , in expensive and very efficient at picking up bales. Another option is a car hauling trailer. Put a ba'll on you tractor to pull car hauling trailer. The trailer is low to the ground so that is a plus and you can easily get 75-100 bales on. It works out ok, but it is not perfect. No help? Might follow this fellows advice on a grapple.
 
   / New hay farm #11  
I think even if I had all the hay equipment I needed sitting in the yard, I would not waste my time baling 5 acres. But contemplating buying hay equipment on top of only having 5 acres to cut, I would pass.

There is hay equipment out there designed to run off of small SCUT and CUT's, I was given a few links when I was looking to mow and hay ~15 acres. The prices are a real eye opener.

Mini Hay Balers and Compact Hay Balers | Small Farm Innovators

Tractor Tools DirectHaymaking and pine straw baling equipment for compact tractors. Drum Mowers - Belt Rakes - Mini Round Balers

And for square bales, where was this thing when I was a kid:

Rocky Mountain Bale Sweep | Home

Even keeping the tractor you have, I can't see you "breaking even" on hay for many years.

We still may get into it ourselves, but we're looking at a few 40+ acre places right now. Even then, it's going to be a money loser for several years I think.
Valid strong point.
 
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I had a friend who said hay was the only buisness he knew where the everyone involved lost money. I think he sold his cows and gave up.
 
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I appreciate everyone's input. I was leaning towards it being a money pit already. It would be more of a hobby for me. Even if I only make a little money, time on my tractor is therapeutic for me. But I don't have the overhead to be loosing money on it. Sure the old lady wouldn't appreciate it either.
 
   / New hay farm #14  
Smell of freshly cut hay is very therapeutic for me. So I think you should give it a try. Research your market. Who would buy your hay ?
Buy low end cheap equipment that can be restored. You need a mower, a rake and a baler. Then you need a place to store it or customers who will be reliable enough to come by and pick it up when you have finished.

I think he means a 'tedder' . That's an extra non-essential machine to hasten drying and fluff up hay that's been rained on or has heavy dew on it. Handy but not essential for 5 acres. You should be able to come out ahead after 2 or 3 years with a cash profit. (Your only expense should be for fuel and baler twine. An accountant can help you with a handy tax advantage for your equipment purchases. By bass boat is still in depreciation but handy for farm maintenance (and I appreciate it as do the farm dogs. Welders, compressor, tools, windmills, too.
 
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As for the tedder it depends on what he cuts with. If he uses a moco then probably not as they can spread it wide. same for a sickle mower as it lays a wide flat row. However my drum mower leaves a tight windrow that needs to be spread out.

One thing to check into is do you have a local agg dealer that rents equipment. That way you can give it a try. Also the rental place is a good source for used stuff too. My local Kubota dealer has been a great source for me and if something breaks I can round up a spare within a day.

I also suggest talking with folks in the business around there on what your needs will be. Depending on your grass type things can be different.
 
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If you have a swather, it crimps the hay as it goes through the rollers. This process speeds drying time. If hay is light, use a rake to turn two Windows together. If hay is heavy just roll windrone over with rake. If hay gets wet do to rain, just turn it/ roll it over with a rake. No tedder needed.
 
   / New hay farm #17  
I appreciate everyone's input. I was leaning towards it being a money pit already. It would be more of a hobby for me. Even if I only make a little money, time on my tractor is therapeutic for me. But I don't have the overhead to be loosing money on it. Sure the old lady wouldn't appreciate it either.

I would not consider cutting hay a hobby by any means. It can get pretty stressful when the weatherman got it wrong and your rushing to get your hay dried, baled, and put in the barn before a rain. If your in a hurry to do something,it always seems that's when everything decides to break down.
 
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I would not consider cutting hay a hobby by any means. It can get pretty stressful when the weatherman got it wrong and your rushing to get your hay dried, baled, and put in the barn before a rain. If your in a hurry to do something,it always seems that's when everything decides to break down.
That a big 10-4 ( strong total agreement)
 
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I rely heavily on the NOAA weather report and read the forecast discussion. It takes a while to learn the jargon but really helps in my opinion. But also helps to get a feel for how conservative different weather reports are. If the local DA on TV says 50%, it's probably not going to rain. If NOAA says 50% chances, get out the rubber boots.

National Weather Service Text Product Display
 
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My father in law makes hay on only 10 acres with worn out equipment and a Ford 3600. But since he owns a machinist job shop and his buddy is a diesel mechanic, they are the junk dream team.
 

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