recommendation for budget oriented entry level Plasma cutter?

[RobertN]

Looking for recommendations for an entry level occasional use, budget oriented plasma cutter.

Seems entry level non-pilot. Is that an issue for a beginner?

Lotos LT5000D looks interesting...

I have 220V available, and 60gal 5hp compressor.

 

[Silvic]

Look at Everlast. I have the Everlast PowerPlasma 80 bought back in 2014. Probably some newer features since then. Good equipment for a very fair price.
They have a sponsor on here "Mark," good guy PM him or call and he can often get a better price than the published web price. (look at the "Everlast thread." Amazon used to have screaming deals on Everlast once in a while but have not seen any for a couple of years.

The Hypertherm Powermax series is well thought of and the cost is a good bit more. Depends upon what you are looking for and how much you want to spend.

 

[dragoneggs]

I strongly suggest you get a pilot arc unit. On Amazon, for $83 more you can buy Lotos LTP5000D, same as the one you posted except with pilot arc. It is a must have for cutting things like expanded steel. I splurged and bought a Hypertherm 45XP but went overboard for sure. I am just at the point now where I buy quality and want it to last the rest of my life at least. I can't speak to the quality of Lotus but seems to be getting good ratings...

Lotos LTP5D 5Amp Non-Touch Pilot Arc Plasma Cutter, Dual Voltage 11V/22V, 1/2 Inch Clean Cut: Power Plasma Cutters: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

 

[dragoneggs]

I found this on another forum... written by Jim Colt of Hypertherm. I have met Jim and he is extremely knowledgeable on all things plasma!

A plasma torch with a pilot arc will fire a low power plasma arc in the air....this is a DC arc that goes from the torch electrode to the torch nozzle...and the force of the air blows the arc out through the nozzle (tip) orifice. The function? The pilot arc is designed to improve the ability of the plasma arc to transfer to the materials that needs to be cut......as the pilot arc approaches the plate, it burns through any surface issues (paint, rust, masking materials) and quickly transfers the arc....which electronically senses that current is now flowing through the work ground cable...and amperage ramps up (you will see the arc get more intense.

Older technology plasmas, and todays industrial mechanized plasma systems....use a pilot arc that is started with a high voltage, high frequency discharge between the nozzle and electrode to get the cutting air ionized. Newer technology air plasma systems use a "blowback start" ( a moving, spring loaded electrode in the torch) to ionize air, and are able to start a pilot arc without the use of high frequency.

Non Pilot arc torches have to allow electrical contact with the plate to be cut....by physically touching the plate (like scratch starting a TIG). These plasma torches use a high voltage, high frequency discharge that arcs between the torch nozzle (tip) and the plate that ionizes the air in this area, and gets the main arc transferred to the plate.

Pros and Cons?

Blowback style (non high frequency start) torches will transfer an arc to the plate from a fair distance (my Hypertherm Powermax45 will transfer from 1/4" away from the plate). This long transfer distance allows for best plate piercing capability in a mechanized application...by allowing the torch to stay back at a good pierce height which allows the pierce spatter from hitting the torch nozzle orifice....which cause nozzle wear and poor cut quality. The pilot arc also allows for rapid starts on rusty, scaly, or painted materials. Firing the pilot arc in the air will cause nozzle orifice erosion....and should not be done often. I once vivited a user of Hypertherm hand held torches that was doing some cutting inside large storage tanks....it was dark in there and he was using the torch pilot arc as a flashlight. His complaint...short consumable life......we solved his problem by buying him a flashlight.

Non pilot arc torches work well on clean metals, although having to touch start a torch is extremely tough on the torch nozzle (tip), as the arc starts with the nozzle in contact with the plate...and molten metal has no where to go except right back on the nozzle orifice. Once the orifice is no longer perfectly round...cut speeds slow down and cut edge angularity gets worse. Generally....a non pilot torch will not work on a cnc machine...as it is difficult to get the torch to scratch the surface to get the arc started....and, many cnc machines will be adversely affected by the high frequency required to start the torch. It is less expensive to manufacture a non pilot arc plasma system.....and that is the primary reason they are available.

Jim Colt Hypertherm

 

[coherent]

I have owned a couple of Hypertherm cutters and recently bought a new one for my CNC table. But for simple cutting I bought one of the Lotos 5000 models with the pilot arc off off amazon (I use it to cut up scraps and skeletons from the cnc cuttings). I was hesitant about the Lotos purchase but was surprised that it actually worked fine. Anyway the Lotos is cheap, has really cheap consumables and cuts! In addition it's very small and you can use it with 110v or 220v. If you just need a basic cutter for cheap, the Lotos for their price can't be beat. If you want a "good" plasma cutter or have any thought of a cnc table... go with a new or used Hypertherm.

 

[Silvic]

I strongly suggest you get a pilot arc unit.

Yes definitely!!!!!!

 

[sd455dan]

I have owned a couple of Hypertherm cutters and recently bought a new one for my CNC table. But for simple cutting I bought one of the Lotos 5000 models with the pilot arc off off amazon (I use it to cut up scraps and skeletons from the cnc cuttings). I was hesitant about the Lotos purchase but was surprised that it actually worked fine. Anyway the Lotos is cheap, has really cheap consumables and cuts! In addition it's very small and you can use it with 110v or 220v. If you just need a basic cutter for cheap, the Lotos for their price can't be beat. If you want a "good" plasma cutter or have any thought of a cnc table... go with a new or used Hypertherm.

me to lotos that is- Hypertherm -in my dreams:laughing:

I have the lotos LTPDC2000d and it is is still working well.

The long term reliability is probably less with it being a 3 in 1 Tig/arc/ Plasma but mine already has about 2 years use.

Amazon has them on sale right now to for $458.99

Amazon.com: ltpdc2d

and the unit comes with all the tig accessories except a foot peddle.

It DC Tigs as well as my Lincoln Tig 300 300 up to it's rating.
Seems to have all of it's 200 amp stick rating as well.

The Pilot arc plasma has been used a fair amount over the time I have had it, and other than cleaning some contact points (mainly plasma torch) been satisfied with it.

Some people have gotten bad units though , if the OP is interested in buying one I would recommend working the heck out of it during the first 30 days, before the Amazon prime satisfaction guaranty is up.


They are a great bargain if you get a good one , not so much if you don't.

The Everlast units have a better warranty for sure- and customer service after the sale.

I agree on getting a pilot arc unit, Very nice if getting into paint or a bit of rust and it does help the inexpensive (SG55-AG 60) consumables last longer

 

[yomax4]

Agree. Pilot Arc. Also It's wise to make sure the machine has IGBT's instead of Mosfet's. Unit life depends on it.

 

[woodlandfarms]

I have an everlast from mark. Great machine and great support. Hypertherm has a long history and is not over priced for the product. No clue on lotos

 

[RobertN]

Right now, all I have for cutting is a Sawzall and hacksaw. Also have bench grinder and 4.5" side grinder. And an older Miller 130 wirefeed.

Looking at Plasma cutter because I got the Superwinch someone posted about a few weeks ago, and want to get it mounted on my trailer. Have idea's for mounting, but would need to cut and fit metal to build the mount. And, there have been projects in past where it would have been handy.

One of those things like the trailer winch; I only have need once a year or so, but when I do it would really come in handy.

 

[fried1765]

Looking for recommendations for an entry level occasional use, budget oriented plasma cutter.

Seems entry level non-pilot. Is that an issue for a beginner?

Lotos LT5000D looks interesting...

I have 220V available, and 60gal 5hp compressor.

Today ......you can buy a Lotos LTP5000D on E-bay, with free shipping, and no tax for: $369.
That is a GOOD DEAL!
E-Bay listing # is: 202015807704

 

[sd455dan]

Today ......you can buy a Lotos LTP5000D on E-bay, with free shipping, and no tax for: $369.
That is a GOOD DEAL!
E-Bay listing # is: 202015807704

That is a good deal, and it is from the US Lotos outfit direct (Ubargain 09) so both the 3 in 1 and single function pilot arc 50 amp plasma cutters are on sale right now.

 

[frugalangler]

Right now, all I have for cutting is a Sawzall and hacksaw. Also have bench grinder and 4.5" side grinder. And an older Miller 130 wirefeed.

Looking at Plasma cutter because I got the Superwinch someone posted about a few weeks ago, and want to get it mounted on my trailer. Have idea's for mounting, but would need to cut and fit metal to build the mount. And, there have been projects in past where it would have been handy.

One of those things like the trailer winch; I only have need once a year or so, but when I do it would really come in handy.

that's exactly where I was equipment wise, and on a budget so I couldn't even think about a miller or other 'name brand' unit. I've had exceptionally good luck with a number of other import devices (I'm a hobbiest, not t pro - although I made my living as a bench service electronic aviation tech for a few years) such as a wave solder heat gun, lab power supplies, wave generators, etc. and my MIG is an import also, so I took a chance on an import plasma - WOW, I am impressed for the $$ I spent what it does.

I went with a Cut-50 pilot arc and have been quite impressed with the machine. What I've found is that you can get by with it on 110V if you stay below about 40A but to get the full benefit of the 50A machine put it on a 20A 220V feed, and make sure your air supply is DRY (for any plasma cutter) the back of the unit dryer is not sufficient, get a FRL2000 and put inline, it's about 4X bigger than the puny little one on the CUT-50. Other than that, it will impress you for what a sub-$200 machine is capable of.

 

[RobertN]

I finally decided to pull the trigger and got the Lotos LTP5000D.

I've been out in the garage playing on scrap steel. Works nice so far. I need to work on cutting straighter; that is the rookie welder, not the machine

 

[fried1765]

I finally decided to pull the trigger and got the Lotos LTP5000D.

I've been out in the garage playing on scrap steel. Works nice so far. I need to work on cutting straighter; that is the rookie welder, not the machine

Maybe try using a straightedge?

 

[Shield Arc]

This is what I use to cut straight.

 

[fried1765]

I finally decided to pull the trigger and got the Lotos LTP5000D.

I've been out in the garage playing on scrap steel. Works nice so far. I need to work on cutting straighter; that is the rookie welder, not the machine

I have the LOTOS .. LTP5000D.
I also have an Eastwood, plasma cutting work table. (Eastwood #14142)
Nice table working height, and solid quality.
I think it is a bit pricey ($152.97) for what it is (a slatted top, simple steel table), but that said, it is a very useful working surface.
I have not found another source for anything comparable to this table.

 

[polemidis]

have you seen the CUT50F models at ebay???? There are good reviews out there and videos. $285 shipped.


I am researching for a while now I think this is what I am going to buy in a few days. I am also building a CNC table, I have all the electronics/software working, and ideally I should buy a blowback pilot because the high frequency pilot start is very difficult to isolate from the boards and the motors but they are WAYYYY more expensive.
LOTOS model was the other candidate but the price and the good reviews lead me to the CUT50F . I was considering the Lotos plasma cutter with the welder 3 to 1 also LTPDC2000D but I figure out that with the same money I can buy a seperate welder

Also in research for a welding table too! Ideally some plans

 

[dragoneggs]

Plasma cutting is so much fun. Want a CNC table. How do I sell that need to the better half?

 

[BukitCase]

Mark, before we can help you with that we'd need more info - go to her closet, and count the shoes; report back, and we'll go from there ...Steve

(To be fair, I have the advantage here - ever since mine admitted to me that she married me (53 years ago) because I had leatherworking tools :laughing: