Mahindra 5570

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colthpowell

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Mahindra 3505-DI
In the market to buy new tractor. I used to not be a Mahindra fan. Didn't really know anyone that had one but I bought a used 02 3505-di. It has been a great machine and has really impressed me. I am looking to stay with Mahindra but need to upgrade seriously and the 5570 4x4 with fel seems to fit my needs. Just would like to get some input or more reviews from owners of the model or the 55 series in general. I can't find much on them. The tier IV scares me with it not being out long. I have a 120 acres at home and may use it at deer camp as well. Any info, advice or opinions would be greatly appreciated Thanks
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #3  
Tier 4 technology has been around for several years. DPFs are basically a non-issue: yes, Mahindra doesn't have them. They're warrantied for 3,000 hrs: they can then be cleaned, giving a possible lifespan of 11,000 hours- good luck racking that many hours up on a personal-use tractor;)
 
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I know Mahindra is not using the dpf & def but it still has something to make it tier IV compatible. I really just want to make sure I'm investing in a work horse.. With that, should I look for a low hour 6530 or go with the new 5570? With Mahindra 0 down, 0% at 84 months it's not much difference in cost per month. It will add a couple years to the total though. That's fine too because I plan on it being a life long investment and don't mind the extra cost if it's worth it.
Thanks again.
Colt
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #5  
Mahindra and New Holland in the Workmaster 50/60/70 series utilizes an EGR valve and a catalytic converter.
Noting magical about the system at all.
Look at access to the radiator and battery.
I would personally buy new.
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #6  
Magic has nothing to do with this discussion of emissions. It's all science. When catalytic converters came out people were calling them an voodoo apparatus as well. Systems not using DEF and or DPF will be dealing with soot somehow, and in the case with EGR+CAT solutions that's done by way of pushing more exhaust/soot into the engine and into the CAT (CATs are what will, eventually, like DPFs, get clogged up and needing replacement). I'm NOT arguing for one over the other as I don't believe that there is really any "best" system (look at what the manufacturers of the most expensive equipment use- I know that in the automotive world you're looking at Benz, and Benz uses DPF and DEF); as an owner of VW TDIs (older ones) I followed the VW diesel fiasco in which VW skirted DPFs (and DEF) and ultimately got caught: is this going on with tractor manufacturers? maybe, maybe not; I doubt that they'll get scrutinized like VW was, not unless they're a top manufacturer and competitors are looking to slap them down.

OP, identify what capacities you need (loader lift; weight if you're you're going to be pulling dirt contact implements). How much time do you expect to be using this tractor? Think about ergonomics: shelling out a lot for a tractor I'd want to have it feel like it's worth the money I paid for it.

Buying used can have benefits other than a lower purchase price. Most manufacturing problems/issues will likely have been worked out. And, initial maintenance costs (early fluid changes etc.) will have already been dealt with.

Unless a tractor has been totally abused (and even then!), it's likely able to rack up thousands of hours. How many hours do you expect to put on it? (my B7800 was purchased with 748 hrs on it and I've now put on an additional 750+hrs and it still is a reliable, mighty little workhorse).

Buy what makes sense to you. Work your numbers. In the end, however, most here aren't going to have true payback (unless you're running a business and have the equipment on a depreciation schedule).
 
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I am running a small scale horse boarding Buisness and plan to work in cows as well in the future. And an event barn. I don't plan on doing hay because of acreage of pasture land. I've got 120 acres which is around 35 acres divided pasture/60 acres hard wood creek bottom/25 acres of 10-15 year old pine. I also work for the rail road so it's hard to find time to get work done here much less finding hay fields to lease. Really just cleaning the property up. All 3 pastures have spots of grown up timber I will be clearing as well as clearing some areas of hard wood and timber. I will eventually fence off the entire property. I have around 1/3 done now. With the tractor I'll purchase a grapple, 8' bush hog, 8' disc & 8' box blade. All bush hog brand so will take opinions as well. Keeping fields bush hogged (which the horses keep that up pretty well especially with the drought we've been in). Have several drive ways to keep up. And buying 20 more acres that is all hard wood I have to clear a new drive way to the center and clear out about 1-2 acres for a house pad
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #8  
I'd rank each of those sets of work based on priorities.

How much discing do you think you will be doing?

How much box-blading?

These two are ground-engaging, and ground-engaging work tends to favor higher-powered and heavier machines. Mahindras would certainly be more favorable: I wouldn't, however, look past MF (always king of the heavyweights)!

For infrequent work one can always look to rent equipment. OR, tackle given work with one tractor and then as time progresses sell that tractor and get something different: never place yourself in a corner about never looking to buy another tractor, as that may limit you on doing what you really want to do.

If you're not doing crop work then I don't think that discing is really necessary (and even then). My notion of land management is embodied in what Will Harris (and others similar to him) do:

One Hundred Thousand Beating Hearts on Vimeo

Are you figuring on a cabbed tractor?
 
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Mahindra is not, has not been the ONLY one doing this. Massey, Branson and others have used this same setup from the beginning. There is nothing wrong with DPF's.

Let's be "fair" here. There is nothing WORSE or BETTER about DPF than other Tier 4 non-DPF systems (or vice versa). ALL "solutions" have added complications.

The BIG boys do use DPF: whether the "SMALL" boys do it correctly is, I suppose, yet to be determined. CAT and JD use DPF. One or both (and depending on the machinery) also use DEF: DEF, as is EGR, is for NOX control; DPF is for soot control; non DPF systems use more aggressive EGR. And the trucking industry uses DPF. This is a lot of weight that can be brought to bear on making sure that technologies perform!

I almost paid top dollar for a used Kubota MX5100 because it didn't have DPF. While agonizing over the decision I continued to read more on the Tier IV stuff and came to the conclusion that it wasn't enough of a significant issue to displace other requirements: I'd been operating more on an emotional basis. If it comes down to not feeling good about something then, yes, don't force it!
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #11  
i don't know about you, but i don't want the added lifetime expense and trouble of adding 'exhaust fluid' to anything i own. And i certainly don't need the high heat 'regen' found on most new tractors, whether it causes performance issues or not. if i have to have a doc instead of the other tier 4 'features', it's not perfect but a whole lot better than most of the other brands.
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #12  
Non DPF EGR systems and EGR CAT systems work as designed. New Holland utilizes both based on tractor model and size. I wanted non DPF and bought a Workmaster. I'm happy and that's all that matters to me.
The 5570 is a fine tractor and would serve you well.
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #13  
i don't know about you, but i don't want the added lifetime expense and trouble of adding 'exhaust fluid' to anything i own. And i certainly don't need the high heat 'regen' found on most new tractors, whether it causes performance issues or not. if i have to have a doc instead of the other tier 4 'features', it's not perfect but a whole lot better than most of the other brands.

There are tradeoffs. THAT is why there are different systems out there meeting Tier 4 requirements. To say that Mahindra's DOC is a "whole lot better than most" is an unqualified statement. Are you saying that their engineering is better than CAT's and JD's?

I GET IT that some people are more comfortable with one system over another. That does not mean, however, that one is engineering-wise better.
 
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All in all I won't be doing much discing or box blading but I still want what tractor I buy to handle it. I will use the grapple to the max however. I agree with the fact that mahindra is not running a dpf or def but there is still something there to compete. Apparently an Egr and Cat. Which may cost more or less long run terms. I'm Not sure.. That's what I'm asking. I think we're getting off subject and guessing each brand or makes long term goal ( which I appreciate any and all, with or with out concerns of my financial being ) but I'm trying to look to actual owners of the 55 series and hopefully some actual 5570 owners.
 
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YouTube search Mahindra 5570 issues. One poster complained about placement of the air filter blocking access to the radiator and difficulty in accessing the battery. His specific problem was trying to clean the radiator while brush hogging and overheating. I don't know if Mahindra still has this same arrangement in the engine compartment or not. I would certainly check that out before buying. Other than that the tractor specs out well.
 
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Thanks for the reply. And yeah I've seen that one. That's about all I can find review wise on the new tractors. Which I guess is a good thing. I really believe people are gonna post the negatives over Positives and if that's all I can find I guess That's not a bad thing. But I do agree it specs out well
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #17  
As for the 5570 I can not vouch for, but I do have it's older, smaller sibling,a 5530.

I would highly recommend it as a good utility tractor. I run out of weight,before i Run out of engine.
Have not had any problems with it. the loader with a grapple has been a game changer for moving brush and logs.

I highly recommend forks for it. i use them all the time to move material around. It won't pick up a complete pallet of concrete from the local hard ware store, but remove a layer and it is good to go.

As for the radiator screen and inter cooler screen;they are bolted to the tractor,and are hard to remove.(I just blow them out, with a long reach blow gun.) I plan on maybe modifying them when I change out the original battery.

I have had this tractor since 2010 and Do not know how i got along without it.
the only thin I would change would be the position of the steering wheel,but that is not really that bad either.
 
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There are tradeoffs. THAT is why there are different systems out there meeting Tier 4 requirements. To say that Mahindra's DOC is a "whole lot better than most" is an unqualified statement. Are you saying that their engineering is better than CAT's and JD's?

I GET IT that some people are more comfortable with one system over another. That does not mean, however, that one is engineering-wise better.

I said that having a doc, only, is much better than most other makes that have the additional crap. I didn't say that the Mahindra doc is better than other docs.
 
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phone pics 11-4-16 305.JPGphone pics 11-4-16 309.JPGphone pics 1-3-15 061.JPGphone pics 1-3-15 516.JPG
some things I've done, with this 5530 Mahindra.
 
   / Mahindra 5570 #20  
i don't know about you, but i don't want the added lifetime expense and trouble of adding 'exhaust fluid' to anything i own. And i certainly don't need the high heat 'regen' found on most new tractors, whether it causes performance issues or not. if i have to have a doc instead of the other tier 4 'features', it's not perfect but a whole lot better than most of the other brands.

I have not heard of any SCUT or CUT or even 70 hp Utility tractors that need DEF for NOX gasses. Let's face it for the size of these engines the HP rating is tiny, 2.0 L I4 diesels should be putting out 140+ hp. In tractors they put out 40 hp, they are very detuned. DPF high heat is inside and the outside temps are that of normal exhaust temperatures. So some manufacturers went DOC some DPF. My only point was Mahindra is NOT the ONLY one that went DOC route, but numerous times people think they are the only ones that did. Both systems have positives and negatives. I did not say one was better than the other.
 

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