Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems

[5030]

a lot more doom and gloom here than we see in the field. Also some bits that may apply to trucks, but don't apply to tractors. The systems are not perfect, but a vast majority of people will never have an issue with one.

The showroom and/or the field are fat apart....you are showroom / parts counter, thats it.

The difference is...YOUR BUSINESS IS SELLING THEM so anything you comment on is taken with a large dose of optimism. I do buy my ag tractor consumables from you guys but would I buy a tier 4 from you.....nope.

On a class 6-8 diesel with Tier 4 emissions, it's possible to force regen but keep in mind that the computer controls are advanced enough that forced regen (in an idle, no load situation) will cause the ICU to adjust engine speed and injection durationto accomodate the cycle... and if it don't (and it happens regularly because of hardware issues(, the unit winds up in the shop (where I work) btw. I see it constantly. I said before, a full 75% and possiblly more is emissions related work and that work is mostly related to DEF. DPF or EGR issues.

You can sing all the praises you want to., in my eyes, it means nothing. I get to see the service side, not the showroom side.... Until manufacturers adopt better computer management and use better components, the issues will remain. Thats how it is, like it or not.

 

[bumperm]

The showroom and/or the field are fat apart....you are showroom / parts counter, thats it.

The difference is...YOUR BUSINESS IS SELLING THEM so anything you comment on is taken with a large dose of optimism. I do buy my ag tractor consumables from you guys but would I buy a tier 4 from you.....nope.

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5030,

That sounds like a thinly veiled suggestion Messick's might be less than forthcoming, above board and honest. From my dealings with them, and all I've read, that wouldn't be the case at all. I would take what they say with a reasonable dose of trust - I think they have earned that.

As to tier 4, I agree it's an Obamanation, or and EPA one, but that's not Kubota's or Messick's fault. As I mentioned previously, I've got 300 hours on my B3350 and have had two dealer visits to update computer and minor parts. No other problems. If I have any that are product defects, I would expect Kubota to take care of them.

If I were to do it over, I would give more consideration to the B2650. I was heavily swayed towards the B3350 as I live at altitude and wanted the turbo to gain back power lost to thinner air with a normally aspirated machine.

 

[5030]

No suggestion at all. I work for a large truck dealership so I know that our salespeople don't emphasize the downside of the Tier 4 mandates, thats counter productive from a sales standpoint, however I do know about what transpires after the sale when the emissions components fail, and the owners 125K unit won't run... Believe me, they aren't happy campers.

What I've said in the past and will maintain is, the components and hardware associated with Tier 4 compliance may, look good and work properly in a controlled enviroment, but in the real world, the failure rate isn't acceptable.

Until the components and associated hardware / software become more reliable, issues will continue.

Messicks is in business to sell tractors and implements, just like we are in business to sell trucks and that and the after sale issues are two entirely different animals.

I have no issue with Messicks, like I said in my previous post, I purchase (and have a commercial account with them) and they have always been extremely easy to deal with and I will continue to do so. However. Messicks or any other dealer won't get my business until the time comes where the Tier 4 engines are reliable.

I don't mow lawn or blow snow, I farm, so I'm using my tractors and using them hard and long hours. The last thing I want is a field breakdown, one I can't do anything about because it's emissions / computer related. I don't carry a laptop around with a data link to diagnose an issue in the field... don't know anyone who does.

It's not a manufacturers or dealer fault. On the contrary. The issue lies in component reliability as it relates to the end user. Nothing more, and the obvious way to circumvent that is to steer clear of a Tier 4 final engine, until at least the bugs are ironed out. I don't want to or need to be a Guinea Pig.

I'll keep both of my Tier 3 tractors thank you. Seems as though they both went up a bit in value in as much as any pre emission compliant engines are in demand right now. Does that tell you anything?

 

[robstaples]

Wow, don't see much here lately to help with the regen issue. Oh, I forgot, get a big concrete block, buy a farm, don't cut grass , melt the snow.*

 

[kuboman]

Wow, don't see much here lately to help with the regen issue. Oh, I forgot, get a big concrete block, buy a farm, don't cut grass , melt the snow.*

I disagree. The main theme is to steer clear of the tier 4 engines with all the junk on them. My experience is the emissions garbage causes countless problems. Will some have good luck, of course. The majority of owners will have some problems. Simple law of averages.

 

[kuboman]

Wow, don't see much here lately to help with the regen issue. Oh, I forgot, get a big concrete block, buy a farm, don't cut grass , melt the snow.*

I disagree. The main theme is to steer clear of the tier 4 engines with all the junk on them. My experience is the emissions garbage causes countless problems. Will some have good luck, of course. The majority of owners will have some problems. Simple law of averages.

 

[5030]

I disagree. The main theme is to steer clear of the tier 4 engines with all the junk on them. My experience is the emissions garbage causes countless problems. Will some have good luck, of course. The majority of owners will have some problems. Simple law of averages.

...and that applies to big engines as well as small ones. As the pre-tier 4 trucks come out of our fleet, they are sold immediately. We have potential owners waiting in line for a pre-emissions unit and paying top buck (just like pre emissions tractors increased in value. No one that works with units (tractors, trucks, cats, pickup trucks, construction equipment...) No one wants a Tier 4 compliant engine and the grief. Not to say everyone is an issue, but a lot are and it's a total crapshoot far as good or bad issues.

 

[MHarryE]

5030 - interesting comment that pre-emissions tractor prices jumped up because that was my hope trading up but in my case the opposite was true. The value of my 5740 dropped when the 6060 came out. Not sure about the smaller tractors at Kubota which appear to have more of a cold weather regen problem but the Grand L 60's fly off the dealer's lot.

 

[sixdogs]

What gas powered tractor would you recommend to replace a B3350?

I've been wondering when someone would suggest that. We would never see a new gas powered tractor again, would we?

 

[sandyc]

Just got back from my dealer but while I was there he mentioned that they needed to upgrade my 3350. From what I gather there is a cpu upgrade, new intake snorkel, winter front (bra) and a new high cap alternator. There is also a new side panel with a "bump out" to make room for the alternator. Estimate is 8 hours labor plus $1,000 in parts. Kubota is picking up the entire cost......As has been mentioned in earlier posts, Kubota does stand behind their products. Takes two days and the dealer is picking up the unit. Hopefully we have scheduled the upgrade when there is no snow in the forecast!