Blue smoke on cold start/cold outside

[Coyote machine]

I agree, and it would explain why it was there, then not.
It occurs to me that the dealer was actually on the right track from the get go. Wonder what made them conclude the initial, and likely actual problem was bad fuel? Seems they were right on from the beginning....

I must say, I'm surprised that the oil dealer didn't ask what the 55 gallon drums of fuel were being used for? I realize they would not suspect someone would use high sulfur fuel in a newer tractor, but wouldn't most use or ask for off road diesel for farm use?
I'm surprised NH doesn't require ULSD use anyway?!

 

[Ford850]

And the dealer also charged for stanadyne fuel treatment. Since they said it was bad fuel, this was likely the stanadyne injector cleaner. That probably cleaned things up to 'like new'. If it were mine, I would drain, fill with ULSD, treat with the cleaner again, and move on. I'll bet it clears up and causes no long term issues.

 

[liberty2701]

And the dealer also charged for stanadyne fuel treatment. Since they said it was bad fuel, this was likely the stanadyne injector cleaner. That probably cleaned things up to 'like new'. If it were mine, I would drain, fill with ULSD, treat with the cleaner again, and move on. I'll bet it clears up and causes no long term issues.

It will take a while to run a couple of tanks with the cleaner. I will update once I do and post a new video.

 

[liberty2701]

The filter has never looked bad. Even when the dealer changed it. They were baffled since the fuel they removed looked and smelled identical to the fuel they installed. No water or contaminants visible. I have been using it lightly over the last couple days. Yesterday on a cold start at 25 degrees outside it started rigt up with 5 secs of blue smoke when it cleared. It also smells better when running. Less diesel smell. It is funny that no where on my tractor does it say ulsd. It just says use diesel only in the manual

 

[Citydude]

The filter has never looked bad? Even when the dealer changed it. They were baffled since the fuel they removed looked and smelled identical to the fuel they installed. No water or contaminants visible. I have been using it lightly over the last couple days. Yesterday on a cold start at 25 degrees outside it started rigt up with 5 secs of blue smoke when it cleared. It also smells better when running. Less diesel smell. It is funny that no where on my tractor does it say ulsd. It just says use diesel only.

I'm glad you have a diagnosis.

 

[buickanddeere]

duplicate post, again.

 

[buickanddeere]

Plug in the block heater. What do you expect a cold diesel is going to do on startup? Just because the engine will start with grid heaters or glow plugs. It doesn't mean that a block heater is not a good idea. It's not a port or direct injected gasoline highway vehicle where there is little to no smoke.

 

[Coyote machine]

The filter has never looked bad. Even when the dealer changed it. They were baffled since the fuel they removed looked and smelled identical to the fuel they installed. No water or contaminants visible. I have been using it lightly over the last couple days. Yesterday on a cold start at 25 degrees outside it started rigt up with 5 secs of blue smoke when it cleared. It also smells better when running. Less diesel smell. It is funny that no where on my tractor does it say ulsd. It just says use diesel only in the manual

Your tractor was built to run on ULSD, period. Just because NH has arcane regulations that don't comply with the rest of the USA, and probably the world, doesn't mean it should run on anything but what it is specked for. It's YOUR responsibility to know what it's supposed to run on, check your owner's manual, service manual or with your dealer. They should all tell you the same thing, since whenever the regs specked tractors to run on ULSD, that's what your needs to run properly AND to meet EPA regulations.:confused3:

 

[Coyote machine]

The filter has never looked bad. Even when the dealer changed it. They were baffled since the fuel they removed looked and smelled identical to the fuel they installed. No water or contaminants visible. I have been using it lightly over the last couple days. Yesterday on a cold start at 25 degrees outside it started rigt up with 5 secs of blue smoke when it cleared. It also smells better when running. Less diesel smell. It is funny that no where on my tractor does it say ulsd. It just says use diesel only in the manual

Your tractor was built to run on ULSD, period. Just because NH has arcane regulations that don't comply with the rest of the USA, and probably the world, doesn't mean it should run on anything but what it is specked for. It's YOUR responsibility to know what it's supposed to run on, check your owner's manual, service manual or with your dealer. They should all tell you the same thing, since whenever the regs specked tractors to run on ULSD, that's what your needs to run properly AND to meet EPA regulations.:confused3:

 

[liberty2701]

Your tractor was built to run on ULSD, period. Just because NH has arcane regulations that don't comply with the rest of the USA, and probably the world, doesn't mean it should run on anything but what it is specked for. It's YOUR responsibility to know what it's supposed to run on, check your owner's manual, service manual or with your dealer. They should all tell you the same thing, since whenever the regs specked tractors to run on ULSD, that's what your needs to run properly AND to meet EPA regulations.:confused3:

Like I said in the post you quoted. My manual says diesel. Under the fuel lid it says diesel only. Servce manual says diesel only. Not one mention of ULSD. I agree it should not be used in my tractor. Having sad that, I personally think it is great NH has not fell in line with the big gov reg. types. High sulphur heating oil also has more btu's per gal. More bang for the buck. Looking out for the paying customer. :cool2: By the way, no reason to talk bad about your neighboring state. Vermont use to be free you know.

 

[Coyote machine]

Like I said in the post you quoted. My manual says diesel. Under the fuel lid it says diesel only. Servce manual says diesel only. Not one mention of ULSD. I agree it should not be used in my tractor. Having sad that, I personally think it is great NH has not fell in line with the big gov reg. types. High sulphur heating oil also has more btu's per gal. More bang for the buck. Looking out for the paying customer. :cool2: By the way, no reason to talk bad about your neighboring state. Vermont use to be free you know.

Guess I was wrong about the manuals specifying which diesel to use in your tractor, BUT it is the requirement of US law that the operator, you, use the proper fuel, as required by the EPA. Mistake on your part or not, incorrect regulations in your state's compliance with federal laws, or whatever the reason, compliance is not a choice, it's a requirement.
I'm not slamming NH. It's of no concern to me what the State does; but it's non-compliance has already caused you some issues.
The diesel fuel industry and tractors among other diesel fuel using machines have had to comply with Tier 1-4, then most recently Tier 4 final standards. Each year regulations have been made telling the industry what specs it MUST meet. The fuel available and approved for use in these machines has also been heavily regulated by the EPA.
Use of the wrong fuel is a violation of these federal laws, just ask VW or Audi how they are fairing, trying to beat the system.
It is the owner of any of the machines responsibility to use the correct fuel. Ignorance of the law is not a way out. Huge fines can be imposed for non-compliance.
I'm in no way saying you did this intentionally, and your dealer is an easy source about what is known to be current fuel use in particular tiered model tractors.
It's basically up to you to find out and know/use the correct fuel(s), period.:confused3:

Here's a link that covers all aspects of non-road vehicle diesel fuel use requirements.

Diesel Fuel Standards & Rulemakings | Diesel Fuel Standards | US EPA

 

[liberty2701]

I agree with you. I just find it odd that Kioti/ Daedong Ind a huge company has not picked up on this. My tractor is a 2014 model tier 3 and the Ulsd requirement should be specified. If i was not as inquisitive and mechanically inclined i guarantee this would of went on much longer. Like i said the dealer was baffled. This should be clearly stated just as the grade of oil to use. A manufacture can not expect a custmer to know something different then what is in the manual. It is suppose to guide the customer. Some customers do not know the difference between diesel and gasoline let alone diff kinds of diesel.My old Massey clearly specifies Ulsd everywhere. I hope on the new tier 4 tractors they specify Ulsd. If not than you wil really see problems.



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Guess I was wrong about the manuals specifying which diesel to use in your tractor, BUT it is the requirement of US law that the operator, you, use the proper fuel, as required by the EPA. Mistake on your part or not, incorrect regulations in your state's compliance with federal laws, or whatever the reason, compliance is not a choice, it's a requirement.
I'm not slamming NH. It's of no concern to me what the State does; but it's non-compliance has already caused you some issues.
The diesel fuel industry and tractors among other diesel fuel using machines have had to comply with Tier 1-4, then most recently Tier 4 final standards. Each year regulations have been made telling the industry what specs it MUST meet. The fuel available and approved for use in these machines has also been heavily regulated by the EPA.
Use of the wrong fuel is a violation of these federal laws, just ask VW or Audi how they are fairing, trying to beat the system.
It is the owner of any of the machines responsibility to use the correct fuel. Ignorance of the law is not a way out. Huge fines can be imposed for non-compliance.
I'm in no way saying you did this intentionally, and your dealer is an easy source about what is known to be current fuel use in particular tiered model tractors.
It's basically up to you to find out and know/use the correct fuel(s), period.:confused3:

Here's a link that covers all aspects of non-road vehicle diesel fuel use requirements.

Diesel Fuel Standards & Rulemakings | Diesel Fuel Standards | US EPA

 

[Coyote machine]

I think the problem is 2 fold: 1st Possibly all off road diesel is ULSD, and because of peculiarities like the HHO specs in places like NH, the buyer may, like you, mistakenly buy HHO thinking it is the same as off road ULSD, when in some places it is clearly higher PPM of sulfur, etc.
2. Kioti ought to specify, if for no other reason than clarity for their tractor owners, what specific diesel fuel must be used in a particular year of manufacture tractor, and what Tier level the tractor meets. This is just good common sense and beneficial to all tractor buyers, whether purchasing new or used model Kiotis.

Kioti has over the last number of years, from my observation made better literature that accompanies their tractors, BUT still has a way to go, and IMHO should make ALL their specs, owner's manuals and service/parts manuals available in PDF and online data retrieval service modalities too. If you search TBN you will find I have a thread asking TBners to sign up if interested in CD or online manuals for Kioti tractors. I intend to contact them about making these available shortly. Please feel free to sign on to my list- the more the better to get through the fortress walls.:thumbsup:

 

[Coyote machine]

I think the problem is 2 fold: 1st Possibly all off road diesel is ULSD, and because of peculiarities like the HHO specs in places like NH, the buyer may, like you, mistakenly buy HHO thinking it is the same as off road ULSD, when in some places it is clearly higher PPM of sulfur, etc.
2. Kioti ought to specify, if for no other reason than clarity for their tractor owners, what specific diesel fuel must be used in a particular year of manufacture tractor, and what Tier level the tractor meets. This is just good common sense and beneficial to all tractor buyers, whether purchasing new or used model Kiotis.

Kioti has over the last number of years, from my observation made better literature that accompanies their tractors, BUT still has a way to go, and IMHO should make ALL their specs, owner's manuals and service/parts manuals available in PDF and online data retrieval service modalities too. If you search TBN you will find I have a thread asking TBners to sign up if interested in CD or online manuals for Kioti tractors. I intend to contact them about making these available shortly. Please feel free to sign on to my list- the more the better to get through the fortress walls.:thumbsup:

 

[liberty2701]

I think the problem is 2 fold: 1st Possibly all off road diesel is ULSD, and because of peculiarities like the HHO specs in places like NH, the buyer may, like you, mistakenly buy HHO thinking it is the same as off road ULSD, when in some places it is clearly higher PPM of sulfur, etc.
2. Kioti ought to specify, if for no other reason than clarity for their tractor owners, what specific diesel fuel must be used in a particular year of manufacture tractor, and what Tier level the tractor meets. This is just good common sense and beneficial to all tractor buyers, whether purchasing new or used model Kiotis.

Kioti has over the last number of years, from my observation made better literature that accompanies their tractors, BUT still has a way to go, and IMHO should make ALL their specs, owner's manuals and service/parts manuals available in PDF and online data retrieval service modalities too. If you search TBN you will find I have a thread asking TBners to sign up if interested in CD or online manuals for Kioti tractors. I intend to contact them about making these available shortly. Please feel free to sign on to my list- the more the better to get through the fortress walls.:thumbsup:

I agree. This is a lesson learned for all. I will post a new video after the new year once I get a little more seat time. I already purchased the factory service manual from Kioti. Is your request different other than being online? Merry Christmas and Happy new year.

 

[Coyote machine]

Merry Christmas & HNY to you too....

 

[whis]

so all the talk about what the dealer needs to do, test or fix was really caused by the owner. I think I would call him and apologize. after all he did say bad fuel

 

[liberty2701]

so all the talk about what the dealer needs to do, test or fix was really caused by the owner. I think I would call him and apologize. after all he did say bad fuel

No apology needed since I Never spoke bad anout the dealer. Even the dealer was baffled and suggested an injector problem. Once i get a couple of tanks through with a cleaner and then run it with straight diesel with no additives then we will be %100 certain it was not the fuel. Right now i have PS cleaner and cetane boost in the fuel at the max dosage. Until that time the jury is still out but it appears to be the fuel. A video will follow in a couple of weeks.

In addition,every where on this forum you have the hho diesel fuel are the same arguement. I guarrantee no one suspected the sulphur content of the fuel or diff between the fuels. Even the dealer had no idea and was speculating. I think at times they are the same. NH allows up to 4000 ppm. It depends what us in the supply chain at the time. That is why you will see oil co drivers stating that they are the same. Even they are confused as to the type of fuel being delivered. It is funny that yes it is owner induced but it took the owner to figure it out based on a fact not speculation. This was a time of frustration and discovery. Life is a learning process and I am sure this thread educated alot of users including myself.

 

[Amvcane]

While following this thread, I noticed a boiler plate riveted to the valve cover of my 2012 CK35 hst. It tells me about the engine , emission control system, and what type of fuel to use.