JD 4400 HST won't start no panel lights

   / JD 4400 HST won't start no panel lights #11  
Sorry for your dilemma.. I have a 4300 (1998) and it sits in an unheated shed and have had no corrosion problems. Maybe the Alabama humidity is the culprit.
And have had no electrical problems.. nor have I seen much of anything on TBN regards such. But with your experience, I will pay due diligence to the possibility.
 
   / JD 4400 HST won't start no panel lights
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#12  
Sorry for your dilemma.. I have a 4300 (1998) and it sits in an unheated shed and have had no corrosion problems. Maybe the Alabama humidity is the culprit.
And have had no electrical problems.. nor have I seen much of anything on TBN regards such. But with your experience, I will pay due diligence to the possibility.

Cool maybe mine is just an out-layer, but that still won't stop the cussin. However, it's a 16 year old tractor so I expect some issues. This is a bit beyond my expectation, but it is what it is. I'll get this handled and prolly add a work light and trailer connector while I've got everything pulled apart. I'll look at this as a " oppurtunity for improvement"...instead of a complete electrical failure.:beaver::confused3::tractor:
 
   / JD 4400 HST won't start no panel lights #13  
chiming in so I can keep up with this. A few weeks ago, I had repaired the rockshaft control on my 4310, the culprit.....corrosion. Very little money in parts but a bit of labor. Maybe you can clean the connections and fill them with di-electric grease?

Anyway, I was using my 4310 and had been starting it and turning it off for an hour or 2 and then I had to park it on an embankment (nose down). I set the park brake and got off to unload a live 3 lb bass out of the FEL and put it in our tank. (Intrabasin transfer if you will.) When I got back on, and turned the key. Nothing, no click, no crank, nada. almost like the battery was disconnected. Is there a "lean over kill switch" on these? I ended up getting the big tractor and a chain and pulling it back a few hundred yards to the barn. After a cold barley pop, I went over and turned the key and it fired right off like a 4310 should. Battery is strong still. Wondered what happened? I won't turn it off if it is on an incline ever again.

Keep us posted. I hate threads with no closure. :)
 
   / JD 4400 HST won't start no panel lights #14  
Every time I have been involved with thermister problems, the engine spins over but does not fire up after two seconds the way they normally do when connected to a good battery. I have had the PTO lever get bumped so the safety switch stops anything from happening....
Oh, my 4300 has lived outside since I bought it new.....It does get some heat turned on when it gets below zero.....and gets run almost every day...about 6000 hrs on the clock
 
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SO Just to tie a bow on this, my problem was indeed due to corrosion. Just as a psa, this tractor,as described, had no power to the starting circuit with a perfectly fine battery correctly installed. Now according to the electrical schematic and the description and the function of the thermistor, when the key is in the run position,it has no role to play. It isn't until you try and actually start the engine that the thermistor can be the problem. If your seeing the symptoms of there is no battery installed even though it is you probably have a corrosion issue somewhere in your electrical.
I checked the locations where you should be receiving battery voltage at all times, ie key switch in off position (key switch,light switch,turn sig switch,alternator, starter ,fuse 1,fuse 2,fuse 3,K1 K4 and K7 relays). All checked out fine for voltage except fuse three where the contacts in the fuse holder was badly corroded. I then performed the diagnostic on all the relays to check their proper function (all passed). I then checked for the proper function of my switches. key switch and light switch checked good, turn sig switch failed.
After that, I placed the key switch in the run position to verify "switched" power,and thats where numerous failures were happening. I was getting very low to no voltage beyond the the key switch. Knowing that I was getting the proper current supplied to the switch I again consulted the schematic. In accordance with operation of the start switch there are 4 operating positions (accessory,off,run,start) with seven points of contact. Contacts 1-2 receive constant voltage(key in off position), 3-5 are energized when the key is in the run position, 5-6 are energized in the start position, and 7 is accessory.
I made a jumper wire so that each contact could be tested individually and found that contact 5 was where my voltage drop was occurring. SInce the key switch passed it's diagnostic along with the fuses and relays within the start circuit the only remaining suspect was the wiring harness itself.
SO, I started ringing out (continuity check) each wire that received power from the #5 contact with the key switch in the run position. Just from a visual Inoticed many of the terminal connecters had a dull grayish color and had pitting. So I replaced all the ones that were not nice and shiny and voila she fires up with no issues. even all the lights work now and I reintegrated all the safety features that had been bypassed by the previous owner who prolly thought they were the cause of his issues with the tractor.
 
   / JD 4400 HST won't start no panel lights #16  
SO Just to tie a bow on this, my problem was indeed due to corrosion. Just as a psa, this tractor,as described, had no power to the starting circuit with a perfectly fine battery correctly installed. Now according to the electrical schematic and the description and the function of the thermistor, when the key is in the run position,it has no role to play. It isn't until you try and actually start the engine that the thermistor can be the problem. If your seeing the symptoms of there is no battery installed even though it is you probably have a corrosion issue somewhere in your electrical.
I checked the locations where you should be receiving battery voltage at all times, ie key switch in off position (key switch,light switch,turn sig switch,alternator, starter ,fuse 1,fuse 2,fuse 3,K1 K4 and K7 relays). All checked out fine for voltage except fuse three where the contacts in the fuse holder was badly corroded. I then performed the diagnostic on all the relays to check their proper function (all passed). I then checked for the proper function of my switches. key switch and light switch checked good, turn sig switch failed.
After that, I placed the key switch in the run position to verify "switched" power,and thats where numerous failures were happening. I was getting very low to no voltage beyond the the key switch. Knowing that I was getting the proper current supplied to the switch I again consulted the schematic. In accordance with operation of the start switch there are 4 operating positions (accessory,off,run,start) with seven points of contact. Contacts 1-2 receive constant voltage(key in off position), 3-5 are energized when the key is in the run position, 5-6 are energized in the start position, and 7 is accessory.
I made a jumper wire so that each contact could be tested individually and found that contact 5 was where my voltage drop was occurring. SInce the key switch passed it's diagnostic along with the fuses and relays within the start circuit the only remaining suspect was the wiring harness itself.
SO, I started ringing out (continuity check) each wire that received power from the #5 contact with the key switch in the run position. Just from a visual Inoticed many of the terminal connecters had a dull grayish color and had pitting. So I replaced all the ones that were not nice and shiny and voila she fires up with no issues. even all the lights work now and I reintegrated all the safety features that had been bypassed by the previous owner who prolly thought they were the cause of his issues with the tractor.

Glad you got her going, and thanks for posting a bunch of information.
 
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SO Just to tie a bow on this, my problem was indeed due to corrosion. Just as a psa, this tractor,as described, had no power to the starting circuit with a perfectly fine battery correctly installed. Now according to the electrical schematic and the description and the function of the thermistor, when the key is in the run position,it has no role to play. It isn't until you try and actually start the engine that the thermistor can be the problem. If your seeing the symptoms of there is no battery installed even though it is you probably have a corrosion issue somewhere in your electrical.

I misspoke there it's prolly a current flow issue not necessarily corrosion, could be a short,broken wires,etc.
 
   / JD 4400 HST won't start no panel lights #18  
Many thanks for the exceptionally descriptive follow up.

I may be able to copy that on my JD 4200. It is again in the difficult start stage? By luck, not deductive reasoning, I've found a boost or battery charger, heat gun on solenoid and pumping the priming pump will get it to start. Then, one day, it starts just perfectly with a really loud clack from the solenoid and works well for a time??
 

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