M5640SU with 12' flex wing mower

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I am considering purchasing a used M5640SU (2WD) tractor and was wondering if anyone had experience using it with a 12' flex wing mower. I have ~70 acres to mow, mostly flat but a few small hills at one end, and would appreciate any thoughts on how that tractor would do.

Thanks,
Michael
 
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How often are you planing on mowing? I pull a 10' full mount brush hog with my 5083e (69pto hp) and there are times when the weeds are tall that I wish I had some more horsepower. If you are just clipping pasture, you might be ok.
 
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if you already have the bh model in mind, look @ the min pto hp required...then maybe add 5 hp for tough conditions. my guess is that the 5640 would be borderline if not somewhat underpowered. keeping the bh knives sharp really helps good luck
 
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What they said, I'd personally prefer a minimum of a 7060 or equivalent.
 
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Woods has a 12' wing that has a MIN PTO HP rating of 35
 
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How often are you planing on mowing? I pull a 10' full mount brush hog with my 5B083e (69pto hp) and there are times when the weeds are tall that I wish I had some more horsepower. If you are just clipping pasture, you might be ok.

I figure I'll have to mow a few times a season. My goal is to keep things under control so they don't grow too tall. In most normal years here in Colorado, a few times a season should be enough. Currently, with my 4' brush hog and a JD2305, I can get through everything, but just can't keep up (doesn't help we've had higher than normal rains this year either).
 
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if you already have the bh model in mind, look @ the min pto hp required...then maybe add 5 hp for tough conditions. my guess is that the 5640 would be borderline if not somewhat underpowered. keeping the bh knives sharp really helps good luck

I was looking at the Rhino TS-12. It claims a minimum 35HP, but I'm not sure if I should believe that, or under what conditions that is spec'd. Fundamentally, cutting a 12' wide swath of the same plants, should require some similar amount of HP, it seems.
 
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may also keep in mind your speed...might get away with the min pto hp but 70 acres is quite a bit...would be nice to have a machine that has the power to keep up a decent rate of mowing rather than slogging through that amount of acreage with borderline pto hp. finding a good quality used 7040 or 8540 may be worth considering.
 
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That tractor has 50 pto hp. Woods 12' requires 35hp min. You're 15hp over min or 43% more than min req. not sure why folks don't think that'll work just fine...
 
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That tractor has 50 pto hp. Woods 12' requires 35hp min. You're 15hp over min or 43% more than min req. not sure why folks don't think that'll work just fine...

well you could be right. you might consider putting this thread in the attachments forum and see what the general consensus is in running this model bat or flex wing with various tractor pto hp. be sure to get enough remotes as well! & load the rears.... btw is your proposed mower considered finish or medium/heavy duty? that can make a big difference in min pto hp best of luck! a tractor purchase is always a big decision.
 
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70 acres.. and trying to use a rotatory cutter ((lamen term = bush hog, bush hog = trade name)).

there are many tools of the trade, beyond just a rotatory cutter. that farmers use for crops, that may result in a lower HP requirement "within reason" http://www.tractorhouse.com/ and look at "hay / forage equipment" plenty of listings of various 3pt hitch stuff. granted most of the stuff may not work well in "woods" and more geared for open fields but...

you don't need to "harvest" the weeds for say round bails or square bails, but simple get in there and just cut it down. it may look a bit ugly but "shrugs" cutting down tall woods normally leaves some ugliness. from large clumps of grass to windrows (rows of clumped cut grass), to some sharper pointed ends of tall weeds that were cut and everything a bit un-even.

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i do not have direct experience with the larger bat wings.. most tractors i see running around here. normally have each wing, 2 or 3 wings, and each one has a separate hydraulic lift on it. so they can deal with mowing out water ways, deal with fence lines, and other things. and lift and adjust wings as needed.

some bat wings i kinda look at and say.. huh? there are a lot of ditches along roadways to dirt roads going back into properties, along with water ways in fields, that can develop a pretty deep wash out in them. one little mistake in up keep to, just very ugly sudden quick rain falls that are in sense kinda like a flush flood going through some areas. and when i look at the wheels for these bat wings, both travel / road wheels, to then gauge wheels. and then look at the skids on some of the decks. i just kinda scratch my head. and wonder what were these folks thinking. it was like they designed the decks for a finish mower, instead of designing the decks for robust wash outs / ditches that can appear suddenly and show there ugliness, and getting the decks and blades caught up within the washouts.

there is also some issue if wings can withstand being unfold only partially, (a couple feet lifted up, or lowered even more. to deal with say stream banks, or lake/pond banks. and cutting over the edge some.

how are all the "slip clutches" are they easy to get to and adjust? or shear bolts?

are the gauge wheels / skid shoes, placed so when you do run over some bigger tree branches, the branches do not get lodged up into something. it has been a while i want to say "trip wheel design setup" 1 gauge wheel hits something, and the other guage coming up kinda flips over it, causing the one hitting the log or rut. to then also flip over the obstacle.

can you easily pull a wing completely off. and still use rest of the machine?

are there some turn single, break, night light on unit (other words rear trailer light setup). so you can run the wings down the road at night? so you can finish stuff up?

is there a place to mount a triangle slow moving sign on the machine?

can you shut down one wing completely. and keep the center and/or other wing turning? so you are not having a deadly blade spinning that has a wing completely folded up?

does the bat wing rotatory cutter, come with any sort of chains, or guards already installed. can guards be replaced or adjusted. to perhaps reduce some windrow effects. or guards be adjusted down some, to create some better suction power to pull stuff up into the blades (within reason)

does each wing and center if going with a 3 deck unit. have some sort of underneath deck ring. that goes around the perimeter of each blade? more about creating suction power. to lift things up and cut it ((this requires more HP to do so, err more suction = more HP))

is there any place on bottom sides of deck. were say a short few inches in diameter tree limb could get its end jammed up under the deck. and cause the deck to kinda lift up. as the deck was pulled across it? other words if not above question. is the underside deck pretty much a single sheet of metal. with little or no framing at all on bottom side. ((less HP required)) but may not cut as neat as in leaving a line of weeds that were never cut. ((assumption tires on tractor ran over the weeds, and these weeds never had a chance to get sucked up into the blades to be cut))

to note it. some folks actually use "rotatory cutters" aka lamen term bush hogs as finishing mowers. to cut there regular lawn with. and there is a market for different blade sets for just that for a bit better cut as well.

while other folks, just want to get the stinking weeds cut down, and don't really care about look. but rather just trying to keep things maintained, and keep thorn bushes, and thorn trees and other annoying little sapling trees at bay and/or clean up livestock / horse pastures.
 
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Fortunately, the pasture I'll be mowing has no larger brush or large diameter weeds. Those weeds it does have I hope to eventually displace with some form of dryland grass. Price may very well dictate this purchase, with the knowledge I may have to upgrade in the future if I want to do more with the tractor. Thank you everyone for your advice. A lot of good stuff to think about!

Michael
 
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Fortunately, the pasture I'll be mowing has no larger brush or large diameter weeds. Those weeds it does have I hope to eventually displace with some form of dryland grass. Price may very well dictate this purchase, with the knowledge I may have to upgrade in the future if I want to do more with the tractor. Thank you everyone for your advice. A lot of good stuff to think about!

Michael
 
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I run a landpride 12' behind a 7060 and majority of the time I wouldn't want a smaller tractor. Just like the other day I was cutting tall and I was bogging the tractor down.

And remember that blade tip speed plays a factor too. If I remember correctly landpride has about 2000 rpm higher than the others.
 
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I run a landpride 12' behind a 7060 and majority of the time I wouldn't want a smaller tractor. orange toys

agreed
 

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