Comparison Going from 9n to modern

[bfisherman11]

I went tractor shopping today. Locally I have a Ford dealer and a Kubota. Kubota said a good replacement for my 9N is a L2501(21k) but I can save 2k by buying a B2650 (18k) both have a loader. I am leaning towards the B2650.


Ford has a 4wd 1720 about a 1995 model for 11.5k with loader.

My land is hilly so 4wd. I want a loader and frequently use a 5' brushhog, 5' back blade and 5' disc for food plotting.

So what do you think? Oh Kubota is 0% for 60. I like that. Would the B2650 be good and comparable to what I used to do with 9n? The 2650 weighs about 1786# the 9n 2300# and the L2501 2425#.

Thanks,
Bill

 

[nybirdman]

The L2501 would outwork any of the old Fords.We had two ,a 8N and 9N.Four wheel drive,power steering and a useful FEL.Just today we pulled out some logs with our L3000DT that the old Fords couldn't touch.
Go with the L series.

 

[jeff9366]

L2501 is interesting because it is exempt from all the Tier IV emissions blarney, which starts at 26-horsepower, while having a full size frame and axles. You will have more open area at the rear, which will make mounting those implements considerably easier.

I presume L2501 PTO horsepower is around 21 horsepower/diesel torque. This is enough for 5' implements, barely. You will need some throttle, but that is fine. If you were fine with 5' implements behind the Ford, you will be fine with 5' implements behind an L2501.

This is an interesting marketing strategy from Kubota. I expect they will set a lot of units.

Go with the L series.

Additional 639 pounds is well worth $2,000.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Go for the L2501. It's a lot more tractor for the price. I have the 3301 and just love it. They are great little work horses. I went with the gear drive, shuttle shift. You will love this tractor.

 

[paulfun9]

Without looking at any specs simply basing this on conversations I have had with former 9N owners and my own experience I would look for a machine with at least the same weight if not a little more as it seems that most just don't like the feel of anything lighter for some reason.

 

[gwstang]

I just bought a new L2501 and I am loving it! I too have n old 8N Ford and the new tractor will way out work the N. The front end loader is one for the L models so I believe it is a heavier one. My rear tires are loaded so that helps with traction very much. The 4 wheel drive is a big bonus for me. :thumbsup: One thing I love about a modern tractor is that I can lift/lower/hook up the implement without having the pto running.



I plan to keep the 5' finishing mower hooked behind the 8N for mowing the front 5 acres.



I just finished rebuilding the 8N engine and it really picked up the H.P. as it was pretty worn out.

Plan on getting some LED's to mount on the ROPS as the front end loader is square in the way of the head lights...lol. :2cents:

 

[motownbrowne]

Of the two Kubotas, the L is the obvious choice to me. If you drive them both around without a loader, the B will seem like a lawn tractor compared to the 9n.

 

[GManBart]

I went tractor shopping today. Locally I have a Ford dealer and a Kubota.

Just a comment because some folks are particular about where their money goes. There haven't been Ford tractor dealers in decades. Fiat bought New Holland in 1991. Spend money at a NH dealer now, and it's going to Italy

Of the tractors you've mentioned, the L2501 would be the best, but it sounded like you were saying the dealer quoted around $20K, which seems pretty high for a 25hp machine. Around $20K can get you a 40hp tractor with twice the capability of the L2501 from other brands.

In the same size/power range as the L2501 a Kioti CK27 would give you a bit more weight, a bit more power, more 3pt lift capacity, in a similar size machine, and probably save you $5K (they're around $15-16K with the FEL). From LS a G3033H would be the same ballpark size/weight and have a lot more PTO power and nearly 50% more lift capacity...they run around $17K for an HST model.

 

[STx]

The L series is a lot more tractor than the B, I'd go that route. Kubota does have 0% financing but, it's not really free money. If you finance on 0%, the sales price is higher than if you pay cash or bring your own financing. 2% or 3% financing at the lower purchase price may actually be cheaper than the 0% financing, so do your research on that before buying.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Just a comment because some folks are particular about where their money goes. There haven't been Ford tractor dealers in decades. Fiat bought New Holland in 1991. Spend money at a NH dealer now, and it's going to Italy

Of the tractors you've mentioned, the L2501 would be the best, but it sounded like you were saying the dealer quoted around $20K, which seems pretty high for a 25hp machine. Around $20K can get you a 40hp tractor with twice the capability of the L2501 from other brands.

In the same size/power range as the L2501 a Kioti CK27 would give you a bit more weight, a bit more power, more 3pt lift capacity, in a similar size machine, and probably save you $5K (they're around $15-16K with the FEL). From LS a G3033H would be the same ballpark size/weight and have a lot more PTO power and nearly 50% more lift capacity...they run around $17K for an HST model.

Gman has some what a valid point, there are other brands available that seem to compete on paper, but in reality are inferior in design, function, and quality. Kubota has always been the gold standard, and let's face it; one gets what one pays for. Cheap isn't a quality to consider.

 

[GManBart]

Gman has some what a valid point, there are other brands available that seem to compete on paper, but in reality are inferior in design, function, and quality. Kubota has always been the gold standard, and let's face it; one gets what one pays for. Cheap isn't a quality to consider.

That's just the sort of thing someone with an underperforming tractor might say. :laughing:

 

[Daver1963]

If you want to go Kubota might I suggest looking around for a low hour L2800. With loader they go for around $12-16K. Look on Tractor House.

 

[paulfun9]

Gman has some what a valid point, there are other brands available that seem to compete on paper, but in reality are inferior in design, function, and quality. Kubota has always been the gold standard, and let's face it; one gets what one pays for. Cheap isn't a quality to consider.

I have been hearing this for years now but everyone who claims the gold standard thing for Kubota has failed miserably when they try to state facts to back up their claims!

Pleas explain how the other brands lack in quality as compared?

Please explain how the other brands lack or are not equal in design?

Most importantly please explain how something that has much better overall performance can be lacking in function?


I am not trying to bust your chops here but really trying to understand your point of view. Because even when the cost factor is taken out of the decision I still chose the Kioti and based on my experience with other Kubota tractors and my experience so far with the Kioti I would in fact choose the Kioti again.

 

[TomSeller]

Around $20K can get you a 40hp tractor with twice the capability of the L2501 from other brands.

Twice? Are you sure?

 

[GManBart]

Twice? Are you sure?

I guess it would depend on which specific capability we were talking about. It certainly wouldn't be twice the PTO power, but FEL lift capacity and height probably would be, and maybe close to that for 3pt lift capacity. It also depends on which tractor is used to compare.

The L2501 has 19hp PTO, weighs 2,500lbs, lifts 1900lbs on the 3pt (ends), 1,100lbs to 94" on the FEL, and 5.5gpm pump flow (rounding out those figures).

An LS XR4040H has nearly 31hp PTO, weighs 3,900lbs, lifts 2,750 on the 3pt (ends), 2,500lbs to 96" on the FEL, and 8gpm pump flow.

So not everything is double, but some are, and the overall capability might be close to double, but there's probably no easy way to quantify that. To be fair I think the going price for a 4040H is more like $22K, but another $2K for all the extra capability might be reasonable for the OP.

 

[tman1020]

Gman has some what a valid point, there are other brands available that seem to compete on paper, but in reality are inferior in design, function, and quality. Kubota has always been the gold standard, and let's face it; one gets what one pays for. Cheap isn't a quality to consider.

Inferior in design function and quality??? Are you kidding. Yes Kubota has good quality but they're not the only kid on the block. As far as design and function I think your statement is based solely on opinion. Many of its competitors in specific size ranges have very nice design and excellent functionality and I'm sure there's just as many opinions that they may even be surpassing Kubota. Let's not get opinions confused with facts. And be respectful to each other.

 

[NC419N]

Inferior in design function and quality??? Are you kidding. Yes Kubota has good quality but they're not the only kid on the block. As far as design and function I think your statement is based solely on opinion. Many of its competitors in specific size ranges have very nice design and excellent functionality and I'm sure there's just as many opinions that they may even be surpassing Kubota. Let's not get opinions confused with facts. And be respectful to each other.

What he said:thumbsup: There are lots of options out there and I wont name any names

 

[bspeedy]

Of those three choices and prices, I would be inclined to take a hard look at the Ford 1720. The XX20 series are some of the best compact tractors I've operated. If the hours aren't too high and the 1720 has been well kept, it could make you an excellent tractor and a HUGE step up from a 9N. Plus, a savings of 10 grand over the new Kubota L series. This is coming from a very satisfied L-series Kubota owner.
While it's fun to spend someone else's money and it's also fun to have a brand new machine, 10 thousand dollars is a substantial amount of money. And financing a tractor for anything other than a money-making business venture is not a good idea, IMHO.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

That's just the sort of thing someone with an underperforming tractor might say. :laughing:

Let's return to the original OP. Kubota vs old 9n. No one butted in here except you. Those of us with the Kubota model in question offered our advice. If you actually owned a Kubota you could throw in your two cents. BUT, since you don't why not keep your mouth shut. By the way, don't you ever pm me again.

 

[tessiers]

The L2501 would outwork any of the old Fords.We had two ,a 8N and 9N.Four wheel drive,power steering and a useful FEL.Just today we pulled out some logs with our L3000DT that the old Fords couldn't touch.
Go with the L series.

I wouldn't say that, that old Ford is 75 years old, with a little maintenance it will still outlast a brand new Kubota. Different gears, different torque curve, different feel, I put 200 hrs. per year on a Ford N series while my JD 790 sets in the yard. The bigger tires and bigger frame gives a smoother ride and more tire on the ground. I would say the new Kubota would be better for the loader, but that's about it. Maybe that doesn't matter to you guys but if I set on a tractor for 8 to 10 hrs. per day the ride gets real important. I'm not saying don't buy a new one, but for the money they will give you keep the old one too. You might find yourself using it more than you think, I love bush hogging with mine, and grading the driveway, and raking and tedding hay, I haul wood, dig post holes, spread manure, all while the new tractor sets. Just saying!!